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Old 13-09-2018, 10:36 PM
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And can you see however that a balanced person might say that some on the left have behaved badly in seeking to constantly minimise concerns about anti semitic attitudes/tolerance of such within parts of Labour by being selective in their active opposition to discrimination and blaming way too much on 'conspiracies' ?
...this is exactly what my post is saying? Media coverage (or lack thereof) is acting as "evidence" to "conspiracies" of the left.
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...this is exactly what my post is saying? Media coverage (or lack thereof) is acting as "evidence" to "conspiracies" of the left.
This is what you posted.I think my response was fair enough.

'Can you see however, how the lack of wider coverage/condemnation would lead some to perceive that a number of parties may not directly be interested in fighting anti-semitism but merely attacking the Labour party?'
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...this is exactly what my post is saying? Media coverage (or lack thereof) is acting as "evidence" to "conspiracies" of the left.
The same people who are blind to Anti-Semitism on the left have the audacity to complain that a completely different set of circumstances doesn't get the attention they want it to, to deflect from the Anti-Semitism on their side they say doesn't exist.

It is utterly self-serving. I agree that they use it to as justification for their own outrage, but so what? There is no satisfying conspiracy theorists.
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These are, after all, the same people who had a melt down because they insisted the BBC had made Corbyn's hat a bit "Russian".
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What difference does it make? You'd still be making excuses for Corbyn being an Anti-Semite.

Orban being a despicable bigot doesn't somehow let Corbyn off the hook. You might indeed catch out some hypocrites willing to defend the one and attack the other, but since you're one of those hypocrites I'm not sure it's a line you should be pursuing.
I am not defending Corbyn, or insisting he should be let off any "hook", why do you keep alleging that? I am only asking for a fair and even handed approach to antisemitism in any scenario for any individual/s or groups. At the moment, whether 'tis on here, in the press, the BBC, political spokespersons, etc, it just ain't happening. By the way, and for your education, I shall pursue any line I deem to make, and don't need your pomposity to guide me.
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How’s Tommy Robinson being held up as a hero by some and Corbyn a racist. Mental.
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Old 14-09-2018, 12:34 PM
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The Independent is actually emerging as the closest thing to an unbiased source from the traditional outlets, wouldn't say its there but its certainly giving more balanced coverage than most.

The reality is that we've had a massive storm in recent months over the idea of support for antisemism from within the upper levels of Labour that's IMHO been based on very flimsy evidence indeed yet here we have open political support for an antisemtic(not to mention all manner of other race/religion hate) increasingly authorities governments from the Tories and theres been very little coverage about it.
A political party's stance on an issue within its own country will always get more media attention than a political party's stance on a foreign issue. Always has, always will.

Not to say that's the only reason for the difference in tone, but it is a key one.
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How’s Tommy Robinson being held up as a hero by some and Corbyn a racist. Mental.
Can you identify anyone (on here or otherwise) who has held TR up as a hero while condemning JC as a racist?
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I think the anti-Corbyn/anti-Labour element at the BBC was well in place before the antisemitism row, any report/interview by the evil Laura Kuenssberg was pretty frustrating to watch given that she often wouldn't even let the interviewee respond before launching a tirade of more venom-laced questions.
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I think the anti-Corbyn/anti-Labour element at the BBC was well in place before the antisemitism row, any report/interview by the evil Laura Kuenssberg was pretty frustrating to watch given that she often wouldn't even let the interviewee respond before launching a tirade of more venom-laced questions.
Kuenssberg is a decent journalist. The targeting of her by Corbynites has been depressingly shit. The hard-left always had two prejudices it liked to indulge - antisemitism and misogyny.

Kuenssberg has allowed them to indulge both.
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This was pretty shit from her and the BBC.
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This was pretty shit from her and the BBC.
Not really. Even when being critical of her the conclusion is that there was no suggestion of bias.
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This was pretty shit from her and the BBC.
Journalists are human. They are going to have to make decisions about what angle to take all the time. Sometimes they might make a mistake. Key line from your link is this

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The sustained campaign against her from Corbyn supporters is despicable. All the more so since many seem to hold partisan hackery like Skwarkbox, Norvamedia and the Canary in such high regard. They don't want impartiality, they want compliance.
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Kuenssberg is a decent journalist. The targeting of her by Corbynites has been depressingly shit. The hard-left always had two prejudices it liked to indulge - antisemitism and misogyny.

Kuenssberg has allowed them to indulge both.
I wouldn't say I'm hard left at all but it was at times like she was doing a poor Paxman impression. Took her a long time to give May anywhere near the same treatment.
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I wouldn't say I'm hard left at all but it was at times like she was doing a poor Paxman impression. Took her a long time to give May anywhere near the same treatment.
I know. She was grilling Corbyn as soon as he became Leader of the opposition in September 2015, but it took another ten months before May got the same treatment

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I know. She was grilling Corbyn as soon as he became Leader of the opposition in September 2015, but it took another ten months before May got the same treatment

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Journalists are human. They are going to have to make decisions about what angle to take all the time. Sometimes they might make a mistake. Key line from your link is this

The sustained campaign against her from Corbyn supporters is despicable. All the more so since many seem to hold partisan hackery like Skwarkbox, Norvamedia and the Canary in such high regard. They don't want impartiality, they want compliance.
Of course everyone makes mistakes, but it’s not like it was a brief moment of foolishness. It was orchestrated and edited like that to paint the picture she and her team wanted. That is really shit.

And the key takeaway from that article is - senior BBC reporter edits interview to misrepresent a major politician. Expected from The Sun, Sky News and The Daily Mail. It shouldn’t ever be accepted from the BBC.

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Not really. Even when being critical of her the conclusion is that there was no suggestion of bias.
I never said that there was bias, I said that it was shit. Effectively editing a question and answer session like that to get the story you want is gutter journalism, and very disappointing that a senior BBC reporter would resort to it.
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Actually felt sorry for Diane Abbott reading that she was confronted on a tube train by a teenager about a comment she made about religious garments being a costume.

She is a lone woman public figure on a train being confronted by a teenager ,she had to get up and move and I don't think that has anything to do with the question but about being harassed on a train...Time and place for everything and that was not it.
Haven't seen anything about this - not a fan of this sort of thing. Although I'm sure we're going to see more of it now...
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Kuenssberg is a decent journalist. The targeting of her by Corbynites has been depressingly shit. The hard-left always had two prejudices it liked to indulge - antisemitism and misogyny.

Kuenssberg has allowed them to indulge both.
Apart for the proven case of biased misreporting upheld by the BBC, of course.

In fact, she is disgracefully partisan.
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Apart for the proven case of biased misreporting upheld by the BBC, of course.

In fact, she is disgracefully partisan.
Where is this report which found she was disgracefully partisan?

And, no offence nick, but you strike me as a Canary/Skwarkbox type who doesn't care much for non partisan reporting.
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