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Old 30-11-2018, 01:06 PM
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Old 30-11-2018, 01:08 PM
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I already know Chelsea is the biggest culprit for this. But actually seeing their loan roster in black and white compared to everyone else, it really is quite ridiculous.

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They have indeed taken the micky with this, and are probably being cursed by other clubs because a few greedy clubs have sought to gain too much from the system.

Chelsea have developed a business model which, whilst I can see it could work well for a few players, also means that they hoover up the local (or even not local!) talent. These makes it harder for clubs like ours, as they scout the same area.

They have become a football factory, but youngsters can also feel that they are not in control of their careers and just part of their machine.

I think there could also be an argument in future to stop loans fees. Paying the player’s wages makes sense, but more than that means Chelsea make money from holding on to a player’s registration for years. If they can’t get a lucrative loan fee anymore, they will then sell more players.
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8 seems quite low. I can see how a club like Palace could get to 8 without too much trying. Also, what is the punishment for exceeding this limit, because if it's less money than Chelsea make in loan fees what's the point.
maybe it could be that 8 is the maximum for which the clubs that take the loan pay the wages/fees for - any players loaned out beyond 8 need to have their wages paid by the parent club and no loan fee is allowed to be charged. Might filter out the deals that are being done purely for profit rather than the ones that are genuinely done to develop young players careers.
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Think I read this morning that Chelski make around £130m a year out of farming young players and loaning them out.
It's a significant part of their business plan.
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I don't think Chelsea will be overly affected I can see them selling players for a 'nominal' fee with an equally nominal buy back.
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Old 30-11-2018, 01:56 PM
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But if they sell (to a sister club or not) then they cannot retain 3rd party interest over the player. How would that benefit the original club?
If the buying club is one of the Pozzo's stable, fees between their clubs are just moving money between their own bank accounts, no?
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I don't think Chelsea will be overly affected I can see them selling players for a 'nominal' fee with an equally nominal buy back.
I would expect there to be anti-avoidance measures. A ban on nominal buy back clauses should do it. I would expect that once eight players are out on loan any further players who go on loan cannot be played by the club who have borrowed them. That would make it self policing.
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Old 30-11-2018, 02:22 PM
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8 seems quite low. I can see how a club like Palace could get to 8 without too much trying. Also, what is the punishment for exceeding this limit, because if it's less money than Chelsea make in loan fees what's the point.
Couldnít the league authorities simply keep a tally for each club and then refuse to sanction the temporary transfer/loan of players beyond 8?

If the player canít be played, thereís no point the clubs trying to exceed the limit.
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8 seems quite low. I can see how a club like Palace could get to 8 without too much trying. Also, what is the punishment for exceeding this limit, because if it's less money than Chelsea make in loan fees what's the point.
Surely have to be points deduction will be the only way to give it any strength. Even a Fine for £2m for example could be made up down the line if you sell a loftus cheek for £40m.

Some good deals could be a around from Chelsea and Man Utd.
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Old 30-11-2018, 02:47 PM
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Poor old Chelsea. Their business model of loaning players to be banned, a possible transfer ban, their stadium redevelopment on hold and their owner not able to visit the UK? I do sincerely hope their results won't be affected.
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8 seems quite low. I can see how a club like Palace could get to 8 without too much trying. Also, what is the punishment for exceeding this limit, because if it's less money than Chelsea make in loan fees what's the point.
You wont be able to exceed the limit

A loan still requires paperwork similar to a permanent signing, and it needs to be signed off by the appropriate associations
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I think players to Non-league should be unlimited.

Also if there is no loan fee then also umlimited. Chelsea make money from loaning out their players.
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I wonder how the Watford model will be covered by this. i.e. could they 'sell' to their other spidered clubs, and loan out from there...?
What's to stop Chelsea doing the same kind of thing?
You would hope they close any loopholes after the way Watford abused the system a few years back
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I wonder how the Watford model will be covered by this. i.e. could they 'sell' to their other spidered clubs, and loan out from there...?
What's to stop Chelsea doing the same kind of thing?
Abramovich doesn't own any other clubs, does he?
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I already know Chelsea is the biggest culprit for this. But actually seeing their loan roster in black and white compared to everyone else, it really is quite ridiculous.

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There is quite a lot of dross in that Chelsea list.
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Was talking to the mother of one of Chelsea's U23's yesterday - even she thinks it is a good idea. She did say that their pastoral care is extremely good for their young talent but agreed that loan after loan after loan does not allow the players to develop
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Was talking to the mother of one of Chelsea's U23's yesterday - even she thinks it is a good idea. She did say that their pastoral care is extremely good for their young talent but agreed that loan after loan after loan does not allow the players to develop
Iím sure the pastoral care is excellent but the loan after loan not allowing players to develop is anecdotal. There are plenty of players who have made it to the top having been through many loans and plenty who have been through none/very few. Iím not at all convinced there is a one model is the best approach here.
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Does the 8 apply just to players who qualify as part of your 25 man squad or your development squad players as well?
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