Time for a People's Vote!

[NickP]

Originally Posted by Adlerhorst

No, not really and that’s been the case since Parliament rejected Aeticle 50 extension (I mean if they cannot get that through Parliament, what chance do they have getting a second referendum through.

They only chance is spectacular collapse of everything when May comes back to Parliament with nothing, and we’re facing no deal. But i suspect Labour leadership are more likely to go with May’s deal than a second referendum.

I think we'll end up with article 50 extension AND a new referendum.

The alternatives are slowly getting shut down.

[dogstar721]

Originally Posted by Cpfcbob

Surely its time for a peoples vote to replay the World Cup 2018 semis, because a lot of us didn't like the result, and and and, the ref made a load of controversial decisions and and and, Persic’s equalising goal shouldn't have been allowed due to a high foot! Let's do it! For democracy.

Yeah but won't the result be the same, unless people who voted leave change their mind?

[Adlerhorst]

Originally Posted by NickP

I think we'll end up with article 50 extension AND a new referendum.

The alternatives are slowly getting shut down.

Let’s hope so.

But I suspect ultimately Labour leadership will back some variant of May’s deal

[Joe85]

Originally Posted by Cpfcbob

153,877 Posts - For real? That's like 25 posts every single day for the last 17 years!

You ever thought of getting your cock sucked or doing something fun for once?

You offering? Fair play.

[SKATE]

The shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, has said this morning that Theresa May must accept Labour’s five demands to get her Brexit deal through or else a second referendum will be necessary

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said:

If Theresa May said ‘I’ll sign up to Labour’s deal’ and we went to parliament, I think we would have a secure parliamentary majority.

But we’re at that stage now where we’re saying very clearly to everybody that people have looked over the edge of a no-deal Brexit and it could be catastrophic for our economy ...In the national interest we have got to come together to secure a compromise, and then if we can’t do that, well yes, we have to go back to the people.

PV still on the table apparently. This is such a ******* mess - I hate, loath, detest and despise brexit

[biggus mickus]

Originally Posted by SKATE

PV still on the table apparently. This is such a ******* mess - I hate, loath, detest and despise brexit

This. All day long.

[R&B Glazier]

Originally Posted by SKATE

Is there realistically any chance of a Peoples vote now?

Let’s hope not, but never say never. Like Sir Alf Ramsey once said “we’ve won once now go and win again”

[little al]

Originally Posted by SKATE

Is there realistically any chance of a Peoples vote now?

I hope not. The people already voted.

[little al]

Originally Posted by SKATE

PV still on the table apparently. This is such a ******* mess - I hate, loath, detest and despise brexit

Unfortunately for you, the majority don't.

[Maz]

Originally Posted by little al

Unfortunately for you, the majority don't.

This is simply not true.

[little al]

Originally Posted by Maz

This is simply not true.

It was proven in the vote.

[NickP]

Originally Posted by little al

It was proven in the vote.

About 17m out of c46m voters voted to leave.

[Maz]

Originally Posted by little al

It was proven in the vote.

That was a single moment in time, and very many people have changed their minds. (Never mind the change in demographics which shows that Brexiters are now in the minority).



But even then, in 2016, no it wasn't proven. I believe that just about a quarter of the population voted for Brexit : how is that a 'majority'?

[little al]

Originally Posted by NickP

About 17m out of c46m voters voted to leave.

Those eligible to vote who didn't bother are irelevent.

[little al]

Originally Posted by Maz

That was a single moment in time, and very many people have changed their minds. (Never mind the change in demographics which shows that Brexiters are now in the minority).



But even then, in 2016, no it wasn't proven. I believe that just about a quarter of the population voted for Brexit : how is that a 'majority'?

See my previous reply. And whos to say that the majority that didn't use their vote were leavers?

[Golf Boy]

Labour want a second referendum. They just don’t want to take responsibilty for it happening. They want to able to say no choice and it’s the tories fault. They then win an election with the UK in the EU. The alternative is to win the election but have to govern the post Brexit banana republic. Who wants that? ******* no one.

[Golf Boy]

Originally Posted by little al

See my previous reply. And whos to say that the majority that didn't use their vote were leavers?

Interesting point. I would be amazed if the majority were. Remain were pretty relaxed in 2016 thinking they couldn’t lose. Leave were rabid in their approach with their maps of Turkey and Syria, queues of black people at the border etc..

[Langers]

Originally Posted by Golf Boy

Labour want a second referendum. They just don’t want to take responsibilty for it happening. They want to able to say no choice and it’s the tories fault. They then win an election with the UK in the EU. The alternative is to win the election but have to govern the post Brexit banana republic. Who wants that? ******* no one.

I’m not sure they do - I think the democratic pull “to respect the vote” is strong in the Labour Party. The backstop is going no where any time soon so can May kick the can down the road again without parliament stamping on it this week? Looking likely.

It will come down to the EUs perceived flexibility on the backstop and whether pushing the threat of “no deal” to the limit has the support of cabinet

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Maz

That was a single moment in time, and very many people have changed their minds. (Never mind the change in demographics which shows that Brexiters are now in the minority).



But even then, in 2016, no it wasn't proven. I believe that just about a quarter of the population voted for Brexit : how is that a 'majority'?

Unless you make voting mandatory and only every allow binary or transferable votes you will never get a majority in British Politics so it is rather pointless using it as an argument.

Happy for you to demonstrate any time a vote in this country has delivered a majority under your definition.

Those eligible to vote had the opportunity to do so and more voted positively for one option than any other - that is the way our democracy works.

Whether that would be different if the vote were held today we do not know. The polls suggest a lead for remaining, however that was also the case in 2016. I have heard too many times that enough leavers have now died to reverse the vote. I have also seen a documentary where this is proved wrong. Many say that enough people have changed their minds to swing the vote and whilst i know of leavers who would now vote remain, i know others who voted remain that would vote leave. Ultimately we do not know who would actually vote.

A second referendum would undoubtedly create more division though.

[Philipw]

Originally Posted by Golf Boy

Interesting point. I would be amazed if the majority were. Remain were pretty relaxed in 2016 thinking they couldn’t lose. Leave were rabid in their approach with their maps of Turkey and Syria, queues of black people at the border etc..

I don't necessarily agree with the last sentence but think it is pretty common ground that more people who want change tend to vote on things, i.e. its pretty likely that the majority of the non voters were happy with the status quo