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Old 30-11-2012, 11:03 AM
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The reactions have been interesting.

“Today's unfortunate and counterproductive resolution places further obstacles in the path of peace,” UN Ambassador Susan Rice said. (i cant recall the US being able to remove any obstacles recently)

Calling the vote “meaningless”, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Abbas of spreading “mendacious propaganda” against Israel in a speech he rejected as “defamatory and venomous”.

“The resolution in the UN today won't change anything on the ground,” Netanyahu said. “It won't advance the establishment of a Palestinian state, but rather, put it further off.” (really? prams and toys spring to mind)

Swiss Ambassador to the UN Paul Seger told the General Assembly it was a move to invigorate the peace process.

“We believe that granting Palestine [non-member] observer status at the United Nations will revive the concept of a two-state solution,” Seger noted after the vote.

He added however that the Swiss backing did not mean Bern was now ready to recognise Palestine as a state on a bilateral level. That would depend on the outcome of future peace talks, he said.

But Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the vote "meaningless", and said that Mr Abbas' address in New York had not been "the words of a man who wants peace". (and bibi is?)
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Old 30-11-2012, 05:35 PM
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Israel to build 3,000 settler homes after UN vote

Israel has authorised the construction of 3,000 more housing units in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to Israeli officials.
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Israel does not want peace for land, they want land.

Whatever they say, whoever they blame, which ever security excuse they deploy the reality on the ground is they are implementing a 'lebensraum' policy for foreigners at the expense of the indigenous population.

Look at the actions - it is absolutely clear
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Just deeply depressing. More land grab and ethnic cleansing to punish the Palestinians. The Americans say they are surprised. Why? Every time The Palestinians do something they don't like the Israelis react with more settlers. In four years Israel has done absolutely nothing to try and advance peace while pouring in settlers. The end result is Abbas has been completely discredited in his policy of trying to peacefully set up a state.
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Israel does not want peace for land, they want land.

Whatever they say, whoever they blame, which ever security excuse they deploy the reality on the ground is they are implementing a 'lebensraum' policy for foreigners at the expense of the indigenous population.

Look at the actions - it is absolutely clear
Careful now. It's not nice using such terminology. People will get upset.

It's not as if they are taking peoples homes and land on racial grounds.
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A Palestinian boy, 16-year-old Hamzeh Abu Hashem, arrested for throwing stones at soldiers in December, was later threatened by two Israeli soldiers with their dogs. One of the dogs bit Hamzeh, who after being treated for dog bites at a hospital, was sentenced to six months in prison. The video, posted recently by a right-wing activist and former member of Israel’s parliament, Michael Ben Ari, has since gone viral on social media prompting the Israeli military to launch an investigation. One soldier is heard saying, “Who’s a chicken, eh? Who’s a chicken?” while another can be heard giving orders to a dog to “get him”. To view the video, please go to youtube and search for “Israeli soldiers torturing Palestinian boy by a dog”.
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Chris Gunness, spokesman for UNRWA, which runs Gaza’s UN schools said: “The inquiry found that despite numerous notifications to the Israeli army of the precise GPS coordinates of the schools and numerous notifications about the presence of displaced people, in all seven cases investigated by the Board of Inquiry when our schools were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, the hit was attributable to the IDF."

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Surprisingly quick to jump on this (and believe the Gaza Health Ministry) but no comment about the 29 children killed in Yemen today. I wonder why.
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Yeah it was like those who went on and on about apartheid South Africa when there were other terrible things going on the world.

Or those that have a focus on Assad and his genocide.

Or those that spend a disproportionate amount of time going on about Trump.

I don’t think people should focus on oppressive regimes, even those who keep two million imprisoned, unless they give a good enough ratio talking about every oppressive regime in the world with a league table of how bad they are linked to how much they should talk about them.
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Also you and others have said on the corbyn thread don’t deflect, and even if people are weaponising the issue, if corbyn sorted it all out there would be nothing to weaponise.

Well guess what that applies to the Israeli state times a thousand. Don’t have an apartheid situation in the West Bank, don’t have a buntastan in Gaza and don’t pass racist laws in Israel and then Israel might get less grief.
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All conflicts are tragic and every loss of life is one too many, but on here (and in parts of the Labour party) it seems that the only conflict that matters is the one between Israel and Hamas.
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Honest question...what is it about Jews that some parts of the Labour party are so infatuated about risking power to single them over everyone else in this world all the time ?

Yep it's terrible what's happening not taking that away but is there a history or something ?
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Just had a quick read and the jist seems to be socialism vs capitalism...
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Careful now. It's not nice using such terminology. People will get upset.

It's not as if they are taking peoples homes and land on racial grounds.
Israel's regime continues it's awful policies and authorisations of land grabs.It stinks.

It makes no substantive efforts to achieve an appropriate settlement It's beyond depressing.

Though its always useful when calling people racists to check if it is.It's not.'Jews' and 'Arabs' are both generally speaking semites and indeed until the Middle Eastern Jews were ethnically cleansed out of where they'd lived for centuries (but which few ever raise for some reason) in Arab nationalist circles Jews were regarded as fellow Arabs.So,dodgy yes,ethnic discrimination or national discrimination,yes, racism no.

But at least no one has posted cheap imputations about the Israeli regime's dodgy actions somehow making ok or undermining concerns about anti-semitism in pockets of the left towards Jews in the UK

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Surprisingly quick to jump on this (and believe the Gaza Health Ministry)[/URL]
Let’s split this into halves. Are you saying this story is dubious? Do the Gaza Health Ministry have a history of releasing dodgy claims?
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Second half I can answer.

This is a thread about Israel.
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My CLP has had a speaker about Syria and about Yemen. None about Palestine and Israel.

But yeah let’s just say it’s all about Jewish people....
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