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Slums are very much a feature of developing capitalist countries - Rio, Lagos, Mexico City and Calcutta all spring to mind.

I could be wrong but I don't think communist countries tend to have much in the way of slums, perhaps Cuba does to some extent.

Historically the communist world was characterised by utilitarian, functionary concrete tower and apartment blocks.

I don't doubt the rural poor in North Korea have very basic accommodation, but I would be surprised if Pyongyang had miles of adjoining shanty-town.
You will find some of the biggest slums in the world in the self-proclaimed 'Land of Milk and Honey', the good ol' US of A. Great place to be rich, terrible for the rest.
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Interesting article this.

Basically, Claire Balding is our own 'blow-dried Stalin' or perhaps blow-dried Kim-Jung.

And the concept of Team GB is much worse than anything the North Koreans could serve up...

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Interesting article this.

Basically, Claire Balding is our own 'blow-dried Stalin' or perhaps blow-dried Kim-Jung.

And the concept of Team GB is much worse than anything the North Koreans could serve up...

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Putting to one side the digs at Clare Balding (I've not watched any coverage) there is a valid point about the concentration of funds on sports only where 'we' have a prospect of 'medalling'. Spending millions on a few dozen elite athletes at the expense of decrepit local sports facilities has got to be misplaced priorities.
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Old 24-02-2018, 07:48 AM
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Yes I agree. Clare Balding gets a bit of a rough ride in the article, which actually has more important points to make.

Interesting how a sport like skeleton hoovers up cash; while basketball, which is often played by urban teenagers without medal prospects, or indeed any prospects at all, gets nothing.

Have we become what we used to despise about the Soviet block, I wonder?
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Yes I agree. Clare Balding gets a bit of a rough ride in the article, which actually has more important points to make.

Interesting how a sport like skeleton hoovers up cash; while basketball, which is often played by urban teenagers without medal prospects, or indeed any prospects at all, gets nothing.

Have we become what we used to despise about the Soviet block, I wonder?
It doesn't Hoover it up. They have real disadvantages compared to the other teams mainly the can't even practice let alone have the state of the art equipment that the other teams have. Our have no track just a concrete one with a skateboard wheeled sled that allows them to practice their start and shape. However the basic point you are making is right the for medals is wrong
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I think the pendulum's swung too far. Some years ago British athletics was a bit of a joke compared to other countries, and definitely needed to get its act together. The 2012 Olympics was a justifiable incentive and motivation to improve things.

But these days it seems too much attention is focussed not just on elite athletes, but those in minority sports. The Winter Olympics is a case in point: most of the events are essentially alien pastimes because we simply don't have the climate for events which depend on snow and ice: most people couldn't participate even if they wanted to.

It's difficult to justify when, as a nation, we are increasingly fat and wheezy, and increased access to mainstream sports and fitness opportunities for the general public is more important than ever.
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Yes I agree. Clare Balding gets a bit of a rough ride in the article, which actually has more important points to make.

Interesting how a sport like skeleton hoovers up cash; while basketball, which is often played by urban teenagers without medal prospects, or indeed any prospects at all, gets nothing.

Have we become what we used to despise about the Soviet block, I wonder?
There's a good point made by someone in the comments section of the Guardian article who points out that its BBC-bashing of the Winter Olympics coverage is a bit rich coming from a newspaper that barely covers any team not in the top 7 of the Premier League. And if they're in the Championship, forget it.
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There's a good point made by someone in the comments section of the Guardian article who points out that its BBC-bashing of the Winter Olympics coverage is a bit rich coming from a newspaper that barely covers any team not in the top 7 of the Premier League. And if they're in the Championship, forget it.
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This debate occurs every Olympics.

The article certainly isn’t balanced and provides no figures to back up its claims. It should also be pointed out that the athletes rely a lot on money from the National Lottery, which the public choose to play voluntarily.

The link to medals was UK Sports way of putting measures and goals in place. It puts pressure on each sport receiving cash to aim for results in its performance programme, rather than trouser the cash with no conclusion expected.

The article gives no credit to how international success at the top level can inspire others. We’re involved in hockey and there has definitely been an upsurge in interest in girls playing hockey since the Olympics success by our team.

And that without UK Sport and its Lottery funding then only atheletes who have financial independence would reach the top. And they’d probably have to leave the UK to do so because UK Sport also funds the coaches, facilities, kit etc.

There would be no Mo Farah, for example, without funding.

I think he was unnecessarily snide about Clare Balding, but I guess her manner can’t appeal to all tastes. I watched a lot of the coverage yesterday and saw plenty of non-GB sport after the curling, such as the ice skating and the ice hockey semi final. He also didn’t mention that there is loads of Olympics coverage available beyond just the programme that she is fronting....push your red button and take your pick. It’s not hard.

Seems to me that he decided what he wanted to write before he started writing, and then only looked for examples that would support his prejudice.

He’s entitled to his opinion, but it should be seen as that rather than a balance piece of journalism.
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Not sure how Mo Farah or Women's Field Hockey are relevant - the article was about the Winter Olympics, not the Summer.

Also, the criticism was levelled at funding for niche winter sports that most people can never take up. That clearly isn't the case with running and hockey.
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A bizarre article, whereas I'm all in favour of a pop at the BBC its seems to me that the author hasn't noticed this "BRITISH Broadcasting Corp".

Apart from anything else watching British participants not just making up the numbers but winning is great entertainment. Its what people want to see. Long gone are the days of Konrad Bartelski trying to carry the whole thing on his own and the distant memory of Nash and Dixon.

I was particularly interested in the Scotch lot doing curling, which is by no means a minority sport in Scotchland.

I for one and I expect by far the majority hope to be entertained by British Olympians and expect the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation to show them and congratulate them on doing well.

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It doesn't Hoover it up. They have real disadvantages compared to the other teams mainly the can't even practice let alone have the state of the art equipment that the other teams have. Our have no track just a concrete one with a skateboard wheeled sled that allows them to practice their start and shape. However the basic point you are making is right the for medals is wrong
Not so sure myself. I think this orginated in cycling were they simply decided not to pour money into people that were never going to make it.

Its simply a wider version of the same thing, why would you pour money into something that has no signs of coming to any fruition.
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It's difficult to justify when, as a nation, we are increasingly fat and wheezy, and increased access to mainstream sports and fitness opportunities for the general public is more important than ever.

I can't blame anyone other than the individual for this. The is no shortage of sports facilities. Every large town has a sports centre with facilities available for a large number of sports. You can hardly move for private gyms.
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Yes I agree. Clare Balding gets a bit of a rough ride in the article, which actually has more important points to make.

Interesting how a sport like skeleton hoovers up cash; while basketball, which is often played by urban teenagers without medal prospects, or indeed any prospects at all, gets nothing.

Have we become what we used to despise about the Soviet block, I wonder?

I did see the basketball lot have taken the opportunity to ask for cash and why not any publicity is good.

The winter sports don't really hoover up much cash so its not really a good comparison, indeed some of them are self funded. Basketball in the UK is headed up by a professional league and has a network of leagues throughout country as well as school leagues in some areas. There's plenty of opportunity for those that wish to play, money although always useful is not really an issue.

Edit. Medals in any case would come from players in the professional league.
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