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Worksop Palace 18-12-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 16158340)
England players have been let down by the ECB. Why was the preparation so poor?

Think it was down to a little virus that's been knocking about for a bit ......

davech 18-12-2021 04:11 PM

There is no quick solution to this.

1. Joe Root needs an experienced captain to take weight off his shoulders. Not a part of the current set-up afflicted with the ongoing malaise. If he can open the batting, so much the better. This is the absolute proirity.

2. A decent spinner, so Joe doesn't have to do that as well. Is Jeetan Patel up to the coach role?

Both the above admitedly easier said than done.

Above all, we need a new coach, probably foreign, to bring a new mindset to the group. Starting when they return minus the urn with their tails betweeen their legs. Those who cannot or will not respond should be history.

Stockport_Eagle 18-12-2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16158359)
Think it was down to a little virus that's been knocking about for a bit ......

Amd poor weather

Bungalow 18-12-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16157909)
Cricket Australia considering 2025/26 Ashes consisting only of 3 Tests. They feel they can get someone like Bangladesh in for a proper contest after.
Seriously though, an uncompetitive Ashes is just another nail in Test Cricket's coffin. Globally it's only got about 10 years to go. Who's going to pay the subscription money for so many forgone conclusions?

Hard to disagree with this.

Jordan's Jacket 18-12-2021 05:17 PM

We definitely need a new coach. That goes without saying. Biggest problem is the lack of talent in the English game where the focus is purely on smashing the crap out of the ball. Even at academy level the focus on playing shots and not the art of defence. Counties are reasonably chasing the £ involved with short forms of the game.

Aki Aki Aki 18-12-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16157909)
Cricket Australia considering 2025/26 Ashes consisting only of 3 Tests. They feel they can get someone like Bangladesh in for a proper contest after.

Is this true PP ? Can't believe the Aussie cricket board would do this given the revenues they bring in from the Barmy Army.

Prince Phillip 18-12-2021 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16158438)
Is this true PP ? Can't believe the Aussie cricket board would do this given the revenues they bring in from the Barmy Army.

Nah, was just a cheeky attempt at humour. The one consistent feature of English cricket home and abroad is the unwavering support and the healthy ticket and refreshment revenues. Perhaps we all need to get angry and not go anymore?

Tomo 18-12-2021 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16158216)
It shouldnít be though cr

Itís not like Aus are streets ahead of us on paper or even player v player. We just donít have the right mentality in the main. We donít dig deep. We donít battle out sessions or even segments of a half hour or hour.

Weíre just weak and Iím afraid that comes from the top.

Theyíve got 3 of the best 4 batsmen (at least) between the 2 sides.
Smith and Labuschagne nearly scored as much together as our whole line up.

Australia have a more threatening bowling line up and spinner they can depend on.

But aside from that, selection has been wrong in both games.
The attitude from the players had been poor.
The execution has been weak.
Weíve been dreadfully unlucky in terms of preparation and I do have a lot of degree that youíve either got players like Butler who look completely burnt out, or others whoíve played no cricket in 3 or 4 months (at least!).

We can talk about Roots captaincy all we want, but heís being let down by fielders and the batsmen as well.

We set plans, have organised ourselves pretty well then drop regulations.
Most of the batsmen havenít realised that you earn the right to play shots by seeing off 40-50 balls. No matter who you are.

Some of these players need to have a look at themselves and see how much they really want to be Test players.

jmemour 18-12-2021 08:11 PM

It's got to the point that I actively dislike this team, all the talent in the world and no application in that batting line-up and a coaching staff who are nowhere near as clever as they think they are.

Buttler and Pope should be on the next plane home for a shocking attitude and lack of heart to dig in and get a score, Woakes and Broad should be with them for clearly not being suited to this tour and being unfairly put into positions they cannot fulfil. Burns wouldn't be far behind for being so badly out of nick it's horrifying to watch.

And lastly Chris Silverwood shouldn't be given a seat. He and his cabal of idiots who don't think you should play your best bowling attack at 1-0 down in the series should be put in the luggage hold. The same set up who picked 4 seamers in f*cking Chennai.

Completely and utterly dejected by this lot, a truly pathetic showing.

Olympian2 18-12-2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jmemour (Post 16158612)
It's got to the point that I actively dislike this team, all the talent in the world and no application in that batting line-up and a coaching staff who are nowhere near as clever as they think they are.

For England summer tests, I always grab tickets for 2-3 days at the Oval & look to go for a day to either Lords &/or Edgbaston.

I've booked 2 days at the Oval for next summer but won't bother with anything else. Considering the quality of the cricket & the slow over rates, there simply isn't enough value for money.

Eagle Kneevil 18-12-2021 09:28 PM

The Aussie commentators cannot believe that England didn’t know the lengths to bowl at Adelaide. It’s no mystery - the Aussies play here each series and have won all their day/night tests. We show up and think we know better or didn’t do the work ahead of time to learn the right lengths to bowl. Makes no sense at all.

Nuts 18-12-2021 09:36 PM

I worry for the future of test cricket but went to a Big Bash game down here earlier in the week and the crowd was abysmal. Only reason I went was because my local cricket club organised a social night for the kids and mine wanted to go to hang out with their mates. Everyone I spoke to at the BB game weíre disinterested in the BB concept as were the crowd who were more interested in the ******* Mexican wave.

For me this is the most important series in world sport but generally the best series are in England because at least weíre competitive there. I agree with other posters that on paper there shouldnít be this big a gap between the sides. You didnít have much luck in the first test but the lack of application with the bat and then constantly bowling too short in Adelaide have been disappointing. Anderson is the chief culprit there. Across the entire first innings only 4% of balls would have hit the stumps

spike 18-12-2021 11:28 PM

The average for all seamers in Australia is only 10%.

Pat Cummins career at home: 8% hitting stumps

(Both stats from CricViz accounts on Twitter)

cappuccinoeagle 18-12-2021 11:40 PM

From what I’ve seen of the highlights on I Player Chris Woakes’ bowling has been truly abysmal, a lot of short pitched, medium paced buffet bowling. Unfortunately if he’s left out it weakens the batting
Today Ollie Pope, terrible dismissal, the guy has talent, but I wonder if has the Test Match temperament?
Last chance saloon for Burns at Melbourne, although he got a good one today

Tomo 19-12-2021 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Kneevil (Post 16158831)
The Aussie commentators cannot believe that England didnít know the lengths to bowl at Adelaide. Itís no mystery - the Aussies play here each series and have won all their day/night tests. We show up and think we know better or didnít do the work ahead of time to learn the right lengths to bowl. Makes no sense at all.

Hmmm Iím not having that.

The areas both teams bowled st were pretty much the same.
Australia had a little more luck and held their catches.
We bowled much better than 470-8 score would have suggested ( apart from the last session).

Unfortunately we have a lack of application within our batting lineup.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 19-12-2021 05:14 AM

Butler drops Smith first ball.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 19-12-2021 05:15 AM

Smith out second ball.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 19-12-2021 05:16 AM

Over turned, on umpires call. Hawkeye saying out.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 19-12-2021 05:29 AM

Root off the field after being hit in the knackers doing throw downs, not playing first session. Covid in press box ABC broadcast affected. It's all happening.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 19-12-2021 05:54 AM

Butler now catches Smith for 6.


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