Texans

Jaguars, Browns

.......And I think thats it!! :p

It's an odd one.

Tennessee are the old Houston Oilers. And carry their records.

Yet, the new Cleveland Browns are not the old Cleveland Browns. The old Cleveland Browns are Baltimore Ravens? Who don't assume their records. Do the new Cleveland Browns take on the records of their old franchise?

Didn't the new Browns apply to the league to keep the old Browns records?

And the Baltimore Colts did move to Indy, didn't they?

Not forgetting the "LA" Rams and the "LA" Raiders relocating...

Does anyone have a complete list on who has moved where and when, franchise-wise?

From WIKI:

• Decatur Staleys: to Chicago in 1921 (renamed the Chicago Bears in 1922)
• Toledo Maroons: to Kenosha, WI in 1924 [1]
• Pottsville Maroons: to Boston as the Bulldogs in 1929
• Dayton Triangles: to Brooklyn as the Dodgers in 1930 (renamed Brooklyn Tigers in 1944)
• Portsmouth Spartans: to Detroit as the Lions in 1934
• Boston Redskins: to Washington, D.C. in 1937
• Cleveland Rams: to Los Angeles in 1946
• Chicago Cardinals: to St. Louis in 1960
• Los Angeles Chargers: to San Diego in 1961 while in the AFL
• Dallas Texans: to Kansas City, MO as the Kansas City Chiefs in 1963 while in the AFL
• Oakland Raiders: to Los Angeles in 1982
• Baltimore Colts: to Indianapolis in 1984
• St. Louis Cardinals: to Tempe, AZ as the Phoenix Cardinals in 1988 and became the Arizona Cardinals in 1994
• Los Angeles Raiders: back to Oakland in 1995
• Los Angeles Rams: to St. Louis in 1995
• Houston Oilers: temporarily to Memphis, TN in 1997 as the Tennessee Oilers and permanently to Nashville in 1998 (renamed Tennessee Titans in 1999)

Has missed out the Browns, any others missed?

Browns place was taken by the Balitmore Ravens. Balitmore wanted to have the Browns but the NFL said it had too much history in Cleveland so held onto the Browns rights incase a Cleveland based team came in to set up a new team.

Baltimore were offered the Ravens expansion franchise. So Browns ARE the Browns in the sense they have the Franchise history, but not in the sense that the team disappeared and came back again years later.

I'm pretty sure the Colts moved from Baltimore to Indy too!

Got my Pats ticket :p. 65 pound per ticket (10 for delivery etc - piss take.)

Still, should be good as it's AFC v NFC and I always go for the AFC team if it affects the Cowboys, which it will in October.

Looking forward to seeing the future Hall of Famer, Tom Brady again. Saw him in person at a pre season friendly at Gillettes, but missed him perform due to rush hour Boston traffic. I had a VW Passat leaving behind a Porsche, me weaving through the traffic, for that game. I am the ultimate MassHole. Still missed the first quarter. This will make up for it - as long as Tom isn't injured.

:lux:

I have to work this ******* Superbowl Sunday weekend :hmph:

Falcons lost to the Broncos in 99

Ben, I pm'ed you mate.

I was basing it on the week before hand where he has struggled to adapt to the new training from the coaches.

Possibly why Kiper has dropped him so low in the rankings.

Saints, Jaguars and Browns - agreed

Although with the Texans, you have to think of the franchise history ... whose records do they have?

No ones. The Texans were a totally new Franchise in 2002.

Good work fella. So the Browns are the Browns, the Raiders are the Raiders.

Are the Rams still the Rams?

Cool. That was during my period away from the game. Thanks.

How do changes happen and do they review the situation every so often?

Why did LA lose two teams in 1995 by the way!?

I guess the changes depend on a lot of things... Funding from Local governments etc seem to be quite major. Rapport with the fans / fan base size. TV market etc.

Obviously LA is the biggest TV market without a Franchise.

Yes, that's bizarre. Although did I read somewhere that the crowds were poor and they simply weren't attracting fans to the games which is why they decided to move them, spread them out a little bit ...not certain.

Fair call. Which is weird why they took two from LA in the same year ...

So it's not reviewed every so often then ... maybe it is and we never know about it ...

I guess the NFL can't just say "We want to move your franchise to another city"... I would think the actual owners have a say in whether the Franchise moves.

Can't imagine the NFL one day just deciding to uproot the NY Jets and putting them in LA or something.