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Vince Hilaire's Afro 21-01-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aj4england (Post 15605749)
Utter class.

Also as for the Panthers, they were in rebuild last year with a new coach who drafted All defensive players with every pick in the draft, which was unheard of.

Also had arguably the best dual threat running back out for all of the year.

If they got Watson this year, particularly with the 3 QBs in their division all having doubts (Brees not returning, Brady being Brady, and Matt Ryan on the hotseat) particularly in the long run.

Panthers were also in new territory last year, joining the ranks of the clubs stuck in 'no franchise QB' purgatory for the first time since drafting cam. It's somewhere you want to escape from ASAP. That said, Rhule is a process driven rebuilder of programs so I don't think they'd make this move as part of a 'win now' roll of the dice. It's certainly something you'd expect of the Raiders or Cowboys.

But I could see them going for it simply dependent on their evaluation of Bridgewater. He was doing alright until he got injured, putting the Panthers right back in Cam territory with a QB underperforming every time he gets busted up. If fit, he could do the placeholder role until they draft a legit QB, but drafting a legit QB is very hit or miss. Theoretically the Panthers could burn more picks searching for this promised land than they might just getting the real thing immediately.

Very interesting.

Latvian Eagle 21-01-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro (Post 15605814)
Panthers were also in new territory last year, joining the ranks of the clubs stuck in 'no franchise QB' purgatory for the first time since drafting cam. It's somewhere you want to escape from ASAP. That said, Rhule is a process driven rebuilder of programs so I don't think they'd make this move as part of a 'win now' roll of the dice. It's certainly something you'd expect of the Raiders or Cowboys.

But I could see them going for it simply dependent on their evaluation of Bridgewater. He was doing alright until he got injured, putting the Panthers right back in Cam territory with a QB underperforming every time he gets busted up. If fit, he could do the placeholder role until they draft a legit QB, but drafting a legit QB is very hit or miss. Theoretically the Panthers could burn more picks searching for this promised land than they might just getting the real thing immediately.

Very interesting.

Where is Jimmy Clausen these days? :vader:

CP-RJW 21-01-2021 01:27 PM

Saints are gonna struggle next season with their cap situation.

Panthers get Watson, CMC back and firing, maybe a decent draft if there’s any good picks left after the Watson trade, and a playoff push is very achievable.

kayjay 21-01-2021 11:35 PM

Panthers were way more competitive than their win loss indicates.
Just having CMC out there could have been enough for 4-5 more wins.

LLCOOLSTEVE 24-01-2021 11:15 PM

Would love it if Carolina got DW

Come on Packers.....

dannyboy1807 25-01-2021 12:19 AM

Rodgers bottles it again

Funk Butter 25-01-2021 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy1807 (Post 15611427)
Rodgers bottles it again

I think Matt LaFleur gets some blame here for his mind-numbing decision making at the end. I mean, Rodgers went 33/48 at 10ypc with 3TDs and 1 Int. No running game hurt more than Rodgers. Of course, going down in the 1st Half didn't help.

hughff 25-01-2021 01:39 AM

I don't think that's entirely fair, dannyboy. Don't get me wrong, it's always good to see Green Bay fail (though it's even more fun to see Brady lose) but you cannot just the QB for that.

Funk Butter 25-01-2021 03:22 AM

All you need to know.

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Josh Dubow
@JoshDubowAP
2h
Packers were 1st team to attempt a FG when trailing by 4-8 points in final 3 minutes of a game since Dan Quinn called it for Falcons in 17-16 loss to #49ers 11/8/15
What the **** is this quote? Sounds like something a coach from the 60s would have said.

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“I think any time something doesn’t work out, do you regret it? Sure,” LaFleur said afterwards. “But we’re always going to be process driven here and the way our defense was battling, the way our defense was playing, I felt like it was the right decision to do. It just didn’t work out.”

Spindle 25-01-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy1807 (Post 15611427)
Rodgers bottles it again

Harsh. His receivers dropped about 3 passes which were massive plays including the 2 point attempt. I think the biggest error he made was not picking up the open man in the endzone when he threw to the double covered fella instead. Brady threw 3 interceptions, 2 of which under pressure and he just decided to bomb it like a hail mary. In the end he got away with it thanks to the defence. Brady is exceptional though, what a player, but let's face it, they do have a real team there.

Just caught up with the AFC game, I think both of those teams are better than the packers, and despite the Bills being very good, the Chiefs defence rinsed them, must've sacked Allen 10 times or at least covered his receivers off so well he couldn't throw. Allen was brilliant at rushing, had he not been so strong out of the pocket they wouldn't have scored a point. Chiefs so strong in offence too, Mahomes passing is brilliant, the receivers drop nothing, and Hill is an agile little bugger like Kamara at the Saints. They are going to win it again.

Spindle 25-01-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Funk Butter (Post 15611993)
All you need to know.


What the **** is this quote? Sounds like something a coach from the 60s would have said.

Yeah I couldn't believe they didn't go for it on that 4th and goal. Had they scored they would've needed only an FG for OT, instead they had to recover and get into the end zone. Quitter decision.

Funk Butter 25-01-2021 12:04 PM

What the hell is wrong with coaches?

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"I thought about going for it on both occasions. Maybe if I had to do it over again, I would have went for maybe one of them," McDermott said. "But the one before the half, I wanted to get points. We were having trouble coming up with points, and I wanted to at least have something to show for it going into the half, especially knowing they were getting the ball after half. I'll look back at that and reevaluate that, especially the one after half there, and as an entire team, we'll learn from the experience."
I realize that quantitative analysis is difficult, I pull my hair out trying to explain to people all sorts of reasoning behind why statistical analysis says to do something, but you have to have people that do this for you. That last sentence is most damning. As if you have to fail before you succeed. You've got a history of thousands of football games to draw experience from and make the correct decision, so do it. Let somebody else fail so you can succeed.

BB Bob 25-01-2021 12:30 PM

I don't know - it was a tough call.

If you miss it, you are down by two scores (well, a TD plus the 2). Take the three, your defence has done a pretty good job of stopping them over the second half, get the ball back and have another shot. If it had worked, everyone would have praised him for a shrewd call.

Another one for the hindsight playbook, I reckon...

LSEagle 25-01-2021 04:28 PM

The thing is that the data will never exactly match up with the current match position (for example due to injuries) so I think there are arguments for ignoring the data driven approach on some occasions but it's definitely important for coaches to be aware of what the data says, and ideally to have a good reason why you are ignoring.

Funk Butter 26-01-2021 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BB Bob (Post 15612357)
Another one for the hindsight playbook, I reckon...

If you watch this video very carefully, you can see Matt Lafleur when he was a coach with the Falcons staff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WRbKTyXkCA

LSEagle 26-01-2021 09:00 AM

Re the data point I'm surprised no team has just started going for two point conversions as a default since I'm sure they are quantitatively better, it's what I'd do if I was coaching.

Vince Hilaire's Afro 26-01-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LSEagle (Post 15613564)
Re the data point I'm surprised no team has just started going for two point conversions as a default since I'm sure they are quantitatively better, it's what I'd do if I was coaching.

If it's the fourth quarter, and Teddy Bridgewater is your QB, I'm not doing it

Funk Butter 26-01-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LSEagle (Post 15613564)
Re the data point I'm surprised no team has just started going for two point conversions as a default since I'm sure they are quantitatively better, it's what I'd do if I was coaching.

Back during the GSoT days, Jeff Wilkins got hurt on the opening kickoff for the Rams. (Against the Falcons, of course) They went for two the rest of the game and went 4/5 on them. Kicking the XP depending on the situation of the game makes sense. What I don't understand is going for 2 in the first half to make up some points somehow. Like instead of an XP to make it 17-16, you go for 2 to make it 17-17. If you go for 2 in that situation, then you should go for 2 every single time.

kayjay 27-01-2021 02:35 AM

I reckon Doug Pederson started going for the 2 as standard practice
the year the Eagles were successful but I don't have any data to support it.

LSEagle 27-01-2021 10:01 PM

Here's an article on it, https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/...t-nfl-dorktown, and a whole load at 538, https://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/2-point-conversions/

I reckon if you practised 4th and shorts loads you could become really good at 2 pointers and hit them way more than average. If I was playcalling I'd also go for anything less than 4th and 3 regardless of where I was on the field.


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