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pauldrulez 30-01-2009 06:24 PM

Now you have the crap to talk about, Discuss.

jj62255 30-01-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ardeo
Stats lie, so its fair enough to have an opinion on them.

There's nothing to lie about, they just show the numbers of the best pass defense.

Swanny32 30-01-2009 06:32 PM

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Tomlin said. "I can't say enough about the quality of work we're getting from Byron Leftwich, who has been fantastic all season imitating the other quarterback. He's giving our defense a good look at how Kurt Warner plays.
I'm sorry, how the hell do you imitate a QB? It's instinct and awareness, surely it's not possible to imitate Warner?

ardeo 30-01-2009 06:33 PM

Thanks paul.

What happens if your over cap then?

And why is Delhomme on more than McNabb???

ardeo 30-01-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jj62255
There's nothing to lie about, they just show the numbers of the best pass defense.

But doesn't mean they can't be argued with, e.g Vidic & Ferdinand average goals conceded when they both play about 1, Vidic & Evans no goals conceded in 6 games. Ferdinand is obviously better, but stats don't say that.

Maybe lie was the wrong word, but its perfectly reasonable to express an opinion contrary to the statistical evidence

jj62255 30-01-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ardeo
But doesn't mean they can't be argued with, e.g Vidic & Ferdinand average goals conceded when they both play about 1, Vidic & Evans no goals conceded in 6 games. Ferdinand is obviously better, but stats don't say that.

Maybe lie was the wrong word, but its perfectly reasonable to express an opinion contrary to the statistical evidence

You got a point, but I don't think it's fair to compare it with football, since they keep track of every little stat in the NFL.

And yes it's perfectly fair to state an opinion, but usually you have something to back it up with :)

Benzhiyi 30-01-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ardeo
What happens if your over cap then?

You can't go over the cap. Every move is ratified by the NFL before it goes through. They simply won't allow it.

In the past a couple have snuck through and the teams in question have been heavily fined. They may even have lost draft picks too but I don't have time right now to track down the evidence to support that.

saxoneagle 30-01-2009 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
You can't go over the cap. Every move is ratified by the NFL before it goes through. They simply won't allow it.

In the past a couple have snuck through and the teams in question have been heavily fined. They may even have lost draft picks too but I don't have time right now to track down the evidence to support that.

I think the link that Paul has used actually has a link further down the page to cap penalties. I've already read that link as I'm sure one of the Fin fans already posted it.

RDSdaEAGLE 30-01-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanny32
I'm sorry, how the hell do you imitate a QB? It's instinct and awareness, surely it's not possible to imitate Warner?

It can be, in terms of the plays that the Cardinals play. Using video footage, scouting etc, they've probably worked out how plays are called and how Warner works them into his game.

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
I think the link that Paul has used actually has a link further down the page to cap penalties. I've already read that link as I'm sure one of the Fin fans already posted it.

I thought I had read it somewhere else.

Did elliott or Strathers post it?

The way that they treated Coles and vice versa will mean that the Jets are in trouble and a trade (possibly to Miami) may be on.

This time last year I had some nice bets on the Superbowl.

I had first play as Run at 5/4 or 11/10. Maroney 1st TD and Manning MVP. What can I get this year.

I think the first play will be a pass. MVP will be James Harrison on behalf of the defense. And first TD scorer will be Tim Hightower.

***DISCLAIMER***

The thoughts from my head shall not be taken seriously and any bets placed due to this that lose are not my fault...

:D

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RDSdaEAGLE
It can be, in terms of the plays that the Cardinals play. Using video footage, scouting etc, they've probably worked out how plays are called and how Warner works them into his game.

Is correct.

A lot of backup quarterbacks are well respected for this and it helps them in the longterm.

What can they work on with Warner then.

His adjustments, how to flush him out of the pocket where he is least comfortable and maybe his first looks on certain plays.

Here's a quick question, who do you look for if you need a big play and your name is Kurt Warner.

Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald?

At the end of the season, I would have said Boldin, but right now I would take Fitzgerald ahead of any receiver in the NFL.

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 08:56 PM

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TAMPA, Fla. -- Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin says quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is fine for the Super Bowl.

Roethlisberger was drilled in the back during the AFC Championship Game. He spent a lot of time stretching his torso during a practice this week.

Tomlin met with the media Friday and said the quarterback was set to play Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals.

Tomlin said he didn't have anything planned to tell the team before the game. The coach says that when it comes to motivational speeches, he prefers to "wing it."
No way he wouldn't play.

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 08:58 PM

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TAMPA, Fla. -- NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is confident of reaching a new labor agreement with the players before the 2010 season. But he disagreed with a union report that the league remains highly profitable and there's no need to change the current system.

"There's a lot of fiction in that report," Goodell said at his annual state of the NFL news conference Friday. "It's not accurate."

On Thursday, a union-commissioned study showed the average value of franchises has grown from $288 million to $1.04 billion over the past decade, and that teams averaged a $24.7 million profit in the last year, even as the economy took a turn for the worse.

Goodell disputed those figures and defended the owners' decision to opt out of the current agreement
Lord Goodell corrects reports about the deficits.

jj62255 30-01-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
No way he wouldn't play.

Indeed, I find it amazing the garbage the media comes up with sometimes, but that's their job I guess to stir things up.

Of course this is a Super Bowl without any major stories so they like to make them up themselves, like Whisenhunt apparently being snubbed for the Steelers job. Ehm no, Tomlin hadn't even had his first interview when Whis took the Arizona job... :rolleyes:

AddiscombeEagle 30-01-2009 10:03 PM

I reckon the Steelers could win this one at a canter to be honest, however fingers crossed that the Cards pull it off.

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 10:34 PM

Without wishing to offend those that despise the guy.

Michael Vick is to be released to a Halfway House soon according to PFT.

Supposedly the 49ers are the team after him.

jj62255 30-01-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Without wishing to offend those that despise the guy.

Michael Vick is to be released to a Halfway House soon according to PFT.

Supposedly the 49ers are the team after him.

So how exactly would that work out? Could they just grab him for nothing or will the Falcons need to be compensated?

I really hope he never plays again, absolute tosser. Throwing away your talent and a career like that :veryangry

pauldrulez 30-01-2009 11:33 PM

I believe (not certain) that they get nothing for him.

But this is what I found on Wiki:

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The prospects of Vick returning to play professional football were the subject of much conjecture after his suspension. The most serious obstacles are clearly the length of imprisonment and possible impact of probationary restrictions afterward.[25] Vick's prison sentence is currently set to expire July 20, 2009, although he could be released into a halfway house on or after January 9, 2009 (finishing his sentence there), following the resolution of state charges on November 25, 2008.

There are other issues that could factor into whether Vick gets another opportunity in professional football. ESPN's John Clayton said that few general managers are in a strong enough position to consider taking a chance on Vick, and even then most NFL owners would be concerned about a fan and media backlash.[26] The Canadian Football League is not a realistic possibility as in 2007 it banned players currently suspended by the NFL. A career in the Arena Football League, which does not normally honor NFL suspensions, is a possibility should Vick be further suspended for the 2009 season.

At an NFL league owners meeting on October 14, 2008, Falcons owner Arthur Blank, who was also earlier a co-founder of Home Depot, told ESPN he would like to see Vick play in the NFL again, but ruled out a return to the Falcons. Blank stated that the Falcons had "turned the page, turned the chapter and closed the book," having taken Matt Ryan to be the team's new quarterback.[27] In an interview with NBC Sport commentator Graham Bensinger published in January 2009, Blank reflected on the fact that Vick initially lied to him, "our coaching staff and a number of other people in our organization that he wasn't personally involved." Blank described his reaction when it didn't turn out that way as "shock, disappointment, and obviously a certain degree of anger as well." He added, "Hopefully, after spending a couple years in jail, he’ll come out a different person."

Commissioner Goodell has not commented regarding Vick's possible future with the NFL. However, he will clearly face some pressures when considering a possible reinstatement. In January 2009, PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk was quoted in Vick's hometown Newport News Daily Press: "Saying sorry and getting his ball back after being caught enjoying killing dogs in hideously cruel ways for many years doesn't cut it. Commissioner Goodell knows that he has an obligation to the league and to millions of fans, including children who look up to ballplayers as idols ..." [28]

The new United Football League is also said to be interested in Vick; UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue said Vick's chances of playing in his league in 2009 are "98 percent".
He makes me sick.

Benzhiyi 31-01-2009 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
I think the link that Paul has used actually has a link further down the page to cap penalties. I've already read that link as I'm sure one of the Fin fans already posted it.

Yeah, I did. But Paul rarely reads my posts... :D

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Did elliott or Strathers post it?

Me. :)

LLCOOLSTEVE 31-01-2009 09:55 PM

Just watching the Americas game programme on Sky, about the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, the 2nd half of that season they were awesome. I want them to come to Wembley and be the home team!


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