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Martin H 27-08-2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther (Post 15368890)
Nothing to do with being a tight sod then��?

The ?s are meant to gr a smiley face!

Oh absolutely, that too. :)

Itís not saving me any money though because I have about 200 books stacked up to read that I neednít have bought. Oops. They were bargains though :)

Martin H 27-08-2020 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Eagle (Post 15368902)
Only if you think that the choice of distribution method constitutes the bulk of the value of a book.

Not the value, but the costs. Distribution and printing. Itís the comparison of the medium not the intrinsic value of the words which should be the same for both. My original point had more to do with the price of his first book as an unpublished author more than the Ďchannelí though.

As I said earlier I shall no doubt end up buying it anyway.

the digger 27-08-2020 10:33 PM

When the annoyance becomes mote annoying than the original thing.

Panther 27-08-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin H (Post 15368956)
Oh absolutely, that too. :)

Itís not saving me any money though because I have about 200 books stacked up to read that I neednít have bought. Oops. They were bargains though :)

When youíre my age, you tend to buy a book, get home and find youíve already bought it. Fortunately, Bromley Waterstoneís are understanding. I canít manage 200 but probably a couple of dozen waiting to be read bought over a year or so.

Blind_Eagle 27-08-2020 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin H (Post 15368963)
Not the value, but the costs. Distribution and printing. Itís the comparison of the medium not the intrinsic value of the words which should be the same for both. My original point had more to do with the price of his first book as an unpublished author more than the Ďchannelí though.

As I said earlier I shall no doubt end up buying it anyway.

For what itís worth, I agreed with the rest of your post, itís just that bit that seemed at odds to the rest of it.

My point was that Iíd expect the bulk of the cost to go to the author, with any difference in price being based on whether itís a printed or digital version. Seeing as, even on a relatively short print run, itís less than a pound, to print a paperback with a coloured cover, Iíd expect any difference to be about a pound.

People expecting to buy a 9.99 paperback book for 2.99 in a digital format, surely think that the method of distribution is the major value in their purchase?

west country boy 27-08-2020 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Eagle (Post 15369066)
My point was that Iíd expect the bulk of the cost to go to the author...

Ha! Yer JK Rowlings and AFBs perhaps.

chateauferret 28-08-2020 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Eagle (Post 15369066)
For what itís worth, I agreed with the rest of your post, itís just that bit that seemed at odds to the rest of it.

My point was that Iíd expect the bulk of the cost to go to the author, with any difference in price being based on whether itís a printed or digital version. Seeing as, even on a relatively short print run, itís less than a pound, to print a paperback with a coloured cover, Iíd expect any difference to be about a pound.

People expecting to buy a 9.99 paperback book for 2.99 in a digital format, surely think that the method of distribution is the major value in their purchase?

It's pretty ridiculous that we pay VAT on digital books but not on paper ones TBF.

Martin H 28-08-2020 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Eagle (Post 15369066)
For what itís worth, I agreed with the rest of your post, itís just that bit that seemed at odds to the rest of it.

My point was that Iíd expect the bulk of the cost to go to the author, with any difference in price being based on whether itís a printed or digital version. Seeing as, even on a relatively short print run, itís less than a pound, to print a paperback with a coloured cover, Iíd expect any difference to be about a pound.

People expecting to buy a 9.99 paperback book for 2.99 in a digital format, surely think that the method of distribution is the major value in their purchase?

Thanks for expanding, itís interesting. I would hope the bulk goes to the author but I didnít think it did. But as you suggest, I may be mistaken.

........Actually You got me interested and so I just looked it up and apparently the publisher gives a royalty of 8-12% of the sale price to the author. So printing, distribution publisher are taking the bulk. I am guessing thatís the wholesale price that the publisher sells it to the retailer but it could include retail % I guess. I didnít dig that deep. Your point re printing still stands.

With self publishing and self marketing growing I guess this is changing. I would think Amazon promoting a book these days has a massive impact but again thatís a guess.

Thanks.

Martin H 28-08-2020 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Panther (Post 15369004)
When youíre my age, you tend to buy a book, get home and find youíve already bought it. Fortunately, Bromley Waterstoneís are understanding. I canít manage 200 but probably a couple of dozen waiting to be read bought over a year or so.

Yeah, I am with you. They are digital books btw. Itís way too easy to see the daily deals etc and lob them in the basket :)

As you say, as you get older things change. you only need 3 or 4 books because by the time you have read the last one you canít remember what the first one was all about and you can start again! :) :) not quite there yet but did get a chapter into one recently before I realised I had already read it :) wife did the same last week as it happens - oops.

Hedgehog 28-08-2020 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin H (Post 15369162)
........Actually You got me interested and so I just looked it up and apparently the publisher gives a royalty of 8-12% of the sale price to the author. So printing, distribution publisher are taking the bulk. I am guessing that’s the wholesale price that the publisher sells it to the retailer but it could include retail % I guess. I didn’t dig that deep. Your point re printing still stands.

I maybe being dumb here or stating the obvious... I'm not sure, but if the author is deceased I assume it goes to their estate/heirs?

Like Martin H, I did a quick look up:

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In the US, royalties go to the author's heirs. They're part of the estate. If the author dies without making a will, then they're apportioned according to the laws of the region in which he or she lived.

Most authors with a career should name a literary executor as well as one for the rest of the estate. The literary executor will make decisions about what can and cannot be done with all of his or her copyrights, and will negotiate the deals for any new editions for the 70 years after his or her death. They'll also be responsible for granting permissions on any rights that have been reverted by the publishers and others who have purchased licenses to them.
Still need to find out about old authors like Dickens, Stevenson etc..

Apparently:

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Charles Dickens work is now out of copyright so no royalties are payable on his works.

JJ 28-08-2020 01:30 AM

It gets on my nerves on the BBS when someone posts something relevant to a question being asked, and then just a couple of posts later someone else posts exactly the same thing. Is it that feckin' hard to just read the last few posts before you post? I'm not suggesting people should re-read the whole thread when it's multiple pages.

Newozeagle 28-08-2020 04:18 AM

It gets on my nerves on the BBS when someone posts something relevant to a question being asked, and then just a couple of posts later someone else posts exactly the same thing. Is it that feckin' hard to just read the last few posts before you post? I'm not suggesting people should re-read the whole thread when it's multiple pages.

:-)

Martin H 28-08-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Newozeagle (Post 15369207)
It gets on my nerves on the BBS when someone posts something relevant to a question being asked, and then just a couple of posts later someone else posts exactly the same thing. Is it that feckin' hard to just read the last few posts before you post? I'm not suggesting people should re-read the whole thread when it's multiple pages.

:-)

Ba boom tishhhhhh........ :)

chatham_eagle 28-08-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15369181)
I maybe being dumb here or stating the obvious... I'm not sure, but if the author is diseased I assume it goes to their estate/heirs?

Like Martin H, I did a quick look up:



Still need to find out about old authors like Dickens, Stevenson etc..

Apparently:

I had a bit of a look into this as (after ordering) I realised I'd bought a John Coltrane record which was released by a so-called "grey market" label where no royalties are paid.

It's 70 years in EU and US.

Others vary but at least 50 years is common as most countries are signatories to the Berne Convention.

It was 50 years prior to 1993 in the EU, which seemigly wasn't retrospective which means European labels can release reissues of 50+ years old records without paying any royalties.

The US has been 70 years in 1989, but appears to be retrospective as there aren't US labels putting out these "grey market" reissues. Anything before 1925 was considered to be in the public domain and free from copyright.

There are slightly different rules between literature, art, music and tv/radio broadcasts.

That's as I understand it, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

I cancelled the order in any case, will get a bonafide reissue or a second hand copy.

Polak 28-08-2020 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther (Post 15369004)
When youíre my age, you tend to buy a book, get home and find youíve already bought it. Fortunately, Bromley Waterstoneís are understanding. I canít manage 200 but probably a couple of dozen waiting to be read bought over a year or so.

I was thinking about this. At a rate of one book per fortnight and if I live for another 20 years, I've only got about 500 books to read before I croak which is a bit disappointing.

Stellavista 29-08-2020 01:25 AM

The Foo Fighters. A subtlety free zone.

And the greasy haired c*nt plays a drum solo. Why?

west country boy 29-08-2020 01:41 AM

Not as annoying as Nirvana.

Stellavista 29-08-2020 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15370749)
Not as annoying as Nirvana.

It's a close run thing.

Worksop Palace 29-08-2020 04:19 AM

Insomnia

PeterH 29-08-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 15368917)
Cheap isn't necessarily good. I'd be happy to see the return of the net book agreement.
Not sure any of those writers are yet out of copyright, maybe Steinbeck.

None of them. 70 years after the death of the author. Steinbeck outlived Hemmingway. 60 years or so since the death of the later.

Interestingly, it's been 70 years since Orwell died.

Greene only died in 1991.

ExiledStirling 29-08-2020 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15370749)
Not as annoying as Nirvana.

Too soon.

Maidstoned Eagle 29-08-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterH (Post 15370785)
None of them STOP
70 years after the death of the author STOP
Steinbeck outlived Hemmingway STOP
60 years or so since the death of the later STOP
Interestingly, it's been 70 years since Orwell died STOP

Greene only died in 1991 STOP

Telegram edit.

Reps AJ 29-08-2020 02:25 PM

People getting all worked up about something they're completely wrong about and demanding that something that is already in place be put in place

cappuccinoeagle 29-08-2020 09:47 PM

The fact that Paddy McGuinness keeps getting TV work.
The wait for Andrewí Freddieí Flintoff to disappear into obscurity.
Dermot Murnaghan

Prince Phillip 30-08-2020 09:09 PM

Furniture delivery times. Should it really take 12 weeks to get a bed or a sideboard to you?

Worksop Palace 31-08-2020 04:02 PM

I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)

chrisophiex 31-08-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)
I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)


Had to google it. I think they are called Dog Strollers. If itís for dogs with arthritis then perhaps fair enough, but if itís a fashion statement...then oh dear, indeed.

foresthillbilly 31-08-2020 04:09 PM

I rarely get annoyed these days. I just accept there are noticeable idiots everywhere.

Worksop Palace 31-08-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisophiex (Post 15375477)
Had to google it. I think they are called Dog Strollers. If itís for dogs with arthritis then perhaps fair enough, but if itís a fashion statement...then oh dear, indeed.

Looked like a normal pram and healthy dog to me

Absolute wierdos :D

Richard 31-08-2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 15374389)
Furniture delivery times. Should it really take 12 weeks to get a bed or a sideboard to you?

Surely the sort of stuff you are buying for the palaces is bespoke and crafted by experts ... descendants of Chippendale probably ?

Hedgehog 31-08-2020 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)
I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)

I see quite a few in trailers that attach to the rear of a bike when out riding my bike. I believe they are/were designed to carry babies/young children, but seem to work just as well for a small dog.

Funny, you never see an Alsatian riding in them!

Maidstoned Eagle 31-08-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)
I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)

Cyclist scum.

Worksop Palace 31-08-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 15375639)
Cyclist scum.

Nah, there was no dogs cycling

Hedgehog 31-08-2020 08:31 PM

When you lose something in your house. It has to be in here somewhere - I had it last night.

Empty the dustbin out this morning, emptied every draw, looked under everything.

I know, it will be in the last place I look.

El Aguila 31-08-2020 09:13 PM

I just found it (the watch my Dad left me). It was annoying.

west country boy 31-08-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 15375844)
I just found it (the watch my Dad left me). It was annoying.

Was it up Christopher Walkenís bumhole again?

little al 31-08-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15375814)
When you lose something in your house. It has to be in here somewhere - I had it last night.

Empty the dustbin out this morning, emptied every draw, looked under everything.

I know, it will be in the last place I look.

Of course, because
when found you stop looking.

Twiggy 31-08-2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15375814)
When you lose something in your house. It has to be in here somewhere - I had it last night.

Empty the dustbin out this morning, emptied every draw, looked under everything.

I know, it will be in the last place I look.

well...exactly....always look in the last place where you expect to find it...First!

:lux:

Dobbo 01-09-2020 05:34 AM

Conor Gallagher being labelled a Chelsea star by the media when he's never actually played for them above U23s level.

ob13 01-09-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)
I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)

Never had a pram but in the last year of my beautiful little JR Bella's life she slipped a disc and couldn't walk very far.I still felt she enjoyed coming out and about with us and was simulated by the sounds and smells and often carried her or she was on wifes mobility scooter.With hindsight maybe i preserved her life to long!

Ardent Eagle Forever 01-09-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)
I'm not sure this annoys me as such, more that it's flabbergasting

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

Absolutely barking mad (pun intended)

We are considering at the moment. We have a 13 year old Welsh Springer Spaniel, her hind legs are very weak. She's on pain killers and anti inflammatories. She still has to do 1s and 2s.

I used to think like you. Exercising Ellie is a slog. She moves so slowly.

Just spare a thought for elderly or infirm dogs, rather like you would humans.

Ardent Eagle Forever 01-09-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15375814)
When you lose something in your house. It has to be in here somewhere - I had it last night.

Empty the dustbin out this morning, emptied every draw, looked under everything.

I know, it will be in the last place I look.

Always. Or you give up looking and find it when you least expect to.

Ardent Eagle Forever 01-09-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ob13 (Post 15376257)
Never had a pram but in the last year of my beautiful little JR Bella's life she slipped a disc and couldn't walk very far.I still felt she enjoyed coming out and about with us and was simulated by the sounds and smells and often carried her or she was on wifes mobility scooter.With hindsight maybe i preserved her life to long!

That's a difficult decision with pets

El Aguila 01-09-2020 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15375850)
Was it up Christopher Walkenís bumhole again?

I'm right handed, enough of your sinister allegations.

Maidstoned Eagle 01-09-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 15376333)
I'm right handed, enough of your sinister allegations.

Thats a big yes from the man from Sheppey.

Martin H 01-09-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by little al (Post 15375876)
Of course, because
when found you stop looking.

Thatís why I always look in the last place first.........

leesaw 01-09-2020 02:39 PM

People that drive cars that are too big for them

Stellavista 01-09-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by leesaw (Post 15377144)
People that drive cars that are too big for them

God yes. And they tend to have no spatial awareness.

Richard 01-09-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by leesaw (Post 15377144)
People that drive cars that are too big for them

Is there a scale for size of car relative to one's height ? I am 6'2" - please advise what I am permitted to drive.

Stellavista 01-09-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 15377194)
Is there a scale for size of car relative to one's height ? I am 6'2" - please advise what I am permitted to drive.

You know what he means.

west country boy 01-09-2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15369181)
I maybe being dumb here or stating the obvious... I'm not sure, but if the author is diseased I assume it goes to their estate/heirs?

The author will still get paid even if they are a bit peaky.

strawberry mivi 01-09-2020 03:35 PM

Rebuilding the rear suspension on my motor without concentrating meaning I have to start again with another new kit of bits.
Idiot.

Selhurst Celtic 01-09-2020 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 15377194)
Is there a scale for size of car relative to one's height ? I am 6'2" - please advise what I am permitted to drive.

I'm going to take a punt in the dark here & guess either a Porsche Cayenne or a Discovery.

west country boy 01-09-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Selhurst Celtic (Post 15377512)
I'm going to take a punt in the dark here & guess either a Porsche Cayenne or a Discovery.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/79/04...1eb7daf8f5.jpg

Timbo 01-09-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15375474)

I've seen it quite a lot recently and today whilst out on my bike. I went past some people chatting with a few dogs running around and one had a pram. As I went past them I noticed that there was not a baby in the prem but a small ugly looking dog. I mean seriously what actually has to be your mind set to take a dog for a walk in a pram

What breed was the dog with the pram?

Golf Boy 01-09-2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Selhurst Celtic (Post 15377512)
I'm going to take a punt in the dark here & guess either a Porsche Cayenne or a Discovery.

Important to have an off roader in London.

Isle of Wight 01-09-2020 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellavista (Post 15377190)
God yes. And they tend to have no spatial awareness.

Trouble is cars have got bigger and bigger both in length and width. You used to be able to get two cars coming in opposite directions plus a row of parked cars down out road. Now itís jammed with people popping in and out the gaps as three cars are impossible today. Car obesity crisis

Brett 01-09-2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Selhurst Celtic (Post 15377512)
I'm going to take a punt in the dark here & guess either a Porsche Cayenne or a Discovery.

Tricky stops his car when he sees CP Jimbo having a pop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWct_KYGRQo

Sharkba1t 01-09-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 15377543)
Trouble is cars have got bigger and bigger both in length and width. You used to be able to get two cars coming in opposite directions plus a row of parked cars down out road. Now itís jammed with people popping in and out the gaps as three cars are impossible today. Car obesity crisis

Or COC for short.

Panther 01-09-2020 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by leesaw (Post 15377144)
People that drive cars that are too big for them

Thatís at least half the population of Park Langley.

Stellavista 01-09-2020 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 15377543)
Trouble is cars have got bigger and bigger both in length and width. You used to be able to get two cars coming in opposite directions plus a row of parked cars down out road. Now itís jammed with people popping in and out the gaps as three cars are impossible today. Car obesity crisis

Richard will insist that the dimensions of a Chelsea tractor are identical to that of the average saloon.
He used to justify his personal bus by citing increased visibility, because of the high driving position. He wasn't keen on the logic that if everyone bought them there would be no advantage.
Then again, he lives in the wilds of the home counties, where they are, of course, essential.
He could have just said it's a personal choice, but there you go.

Golf Boy 01-09-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15377525)

Matching car and trousers.

Golf Boy 01-09-2020 07:13 PM

Not that i can talk. Golf does this to you.

art malice 01-09-2020 11:08 PM

Some tourism bloke just said people need to ‘plan forward’ FFS

KYLIE MINEAGLE 02-09-2020 12:04 AM

The new buzz word here is "learnings". Twot Morrison used it the other day. Saying " The learnings we must take from this pandemic" Don't think he started with, so.

PeterH 02-09-2020 12:07 AM

Are you sure he didn't say 'lemmings'?

PeterH 02-09-2020 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 15377543)
Trouble is cars have got bigger and bigger both in length and width. You used to be able to get two cars coming in opposite directions plus a row of parked cars down out road. Now it’s jammed with people popping in and out the gaps as three cars are impossible today. Car obesity crisis

Not sure I agree with this.

In The US, there used to be the big cadillacs etc..

Even in the UK you had Zephyrs, Austin Cambridge estates, Granadas and Cortinas. And via the old Rolls Royce you could have entered Narnia.

Today you have some people carriers and some short penised twats like to drive massive american style trucks and even public versions of military vehicles.

But we have had Range Rovers and Transit vans for a long time.

And there are still small cars around.

Pre cars needed the length of a horse or horses added to them - even the buses. And the very early cars had some kind of steam contraption.

I wouldn't say that the super cars of the 70s were particularly small or an E Type for that matter.

CT_Palace 02-09-2020 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Golf Boy (Post 15377538)
Important to have an off roader in London.

Let's go "on-roading"

CT_Palace 02-09-2020 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15377525)

Sorry Richard, but :D :D

DANGERMOUSE 02-09-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterH (Post 15377955)
Not sure I agree with this.

In The US, there used to be the big cadillacs etc..

Even in the UK you had Zephyrs, Austin Cambridge estates, Granadas and Cortinas. And via the old Rolls Royce you could have entered Narnia.

Today you have some people carriers and some short penised twats like to drive massive american style trucks and even public versions of military vehicles.

But we have had Range Rovers and Transit vans for a long time.

And there are still small cars around.

Pre cars needed the length of a horse or horses added to them - even the buses. And the very early cars had some kind of steam contraption.

I wouldn't say that the super cars of the 70s were particularly small or an E Type for that matter.

The difference is the near-ubiquity of large SUVs nowadays. The bastards are everywhere. Some (such as the BMW X7 Series) are so wide they cannot fit into a regular painted street parking space - they have the equivalent of an arse cheek hanging off the mattress.

Sooner or later something will need to be done about them. The UK is full of narrow streets double-lined with parked cars: massive cars are a becoming a public nuisance.

Sharkba1t 02-09-2020 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panther (Post 15377593)
Thatís at least half the population of Park Langley.

Youíre not wrong:lux:

Maidstoned Eagle 02-09-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE (Post 15378042)
The difference is the near-ubiquity of large SUVs nowadays. The bastards are everywhere. Some (such as the BMW X7 Series) are so wide they cannot fit into a regular painted street parking space - they have the equivalent of an arse cheek hanging off the mattress.

Sooner or later something will need to be done about them. The UK is full of narrow streets double-lined with parked cars: massive cars are a becoming a public nuisance.

My Mitsubish Galant estate is too long to fit into a lot of spaces, would you consider that massive?

Wolfnipplechips 02-09-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 15378126)
My Mitsubish Galant estate is too long to fit into a lot of spaces, would you consider that massive?

Yes.

And shit.

stevek 02-09-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stellavista (Post 15377626)
Richard will insist that the dimensions of a Chelsea tractor are identical to that of the average saloon.
He used to justify his personal bus by citing increased visibility, because of the high driving position. He wasn't keen on the logic that if everyone bought them there would be no advantage.
Then again, he lives in the wilds of the home counties, where they are, of course, essential.
He could have just said it's a personal choice, but there you go.

The higher driving position doesn't do much for visability in spotting a child who is shorter than the bonnet height.

stevek 02-09-2020 10:07 AM

Also, pretty much all cars of all types are bigger now than they used to be. For extreme examples, look at minis, but also look at the size of a modern Golf compared with a Mk 1.

pallet 02-09-2020 10:37 AM

Back in the 60's and 70' there were big cars but they mostly were slim, look at most house garages on older houses to see thus. Cars now are of course longer I think the first Q7 was 2 meters long and also wider. Parking spaces are designed to fit in as many cars as possible soon we all end up with dented doors. Recently Lakeside shopping centre redid all of its car parks, all the spaces now fit mordern cars, its really goid except the wife then wants to get out and waste hours in the shops.

Stellavista 02-09-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15378165)
The higher driving position doesn't do much for visability in spotting a child who is shorter than the bonnet height.

I don't think he was particularly concerned about that - just the road he could see beyond the lower cars in front of him. It was a ludicrous argument.

Maz 02-09-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15378166)
Also, pretty much all cars of all types are bigger now than they used to be. For extreme examples, look at minis, but also look at the size of a modern Golf compared with a Mk 1.

Yes, the mini is an absolute disaster of a brandicide. Nevertheless, the fact is that most of these small cars are bigger to accommodate safety features.

Isle of Wight 02-09-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 15378255)
Yes, the mini is an absolute disaster of a brandicide. Nevertheless, the fact is that most of these small cars are bigger to accommodate safety features.

Yep it’s the side air bags etc but there is still a tendency to make them bigger. Fiesta is now focus size Corsa is Astra and it’s not just the safety. You then throw in 4x4 or MPV or sports ultility into the mix and you get this obesity crisis. Roads get blocked and cars take up two spaces. The should add a width tax like a sugar tax for humans. OR if you want to be really tough only allow car ownership to those with a parking space as they do in Japan
Parking Space Certificate (shako shomeisho)

Maidstoned Eagle 02-09-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 15378148)
Yes.

And shit.

Thanks Clarkson.
Does the job for me.

Wolfnipplechips 02-09-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 15378267)
Thanks Clarkson.
Does the job for me.

:)

More May than Clarkson.

RazorsEdge 02-09-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15377902)
Some tourism bloke just said people need to Ďplan forwardí FFS

:)

west country boy 02-09-2020 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 15378255)
brandicide

You sicken me.

Richard 02-09-2020 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15378166)
Also, pretty much all cars of all types are bigger now than they used to be. For extreme examples, look at minis, but also look at the size of a modern Golf compared with a Mk 1.

That's absolutely right. Peter H is way off beam citing Range Rovers as being the same size since the 1970s - the newer ones are vastly bigger than the original models.

Richard 02-09-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 15378255)
Yes, the mini is an absolute disaster of a brandicide.

I've never understood your argument on this one. Whilst I would usually defer to your much greater knowledge of branding, than mine, given your illustrious career - from my position of relative ignorance, it seems to me that BMW have pulled off a masterstroke with the Mini brand.

They took an iconic brand and completely reinvented it - to create a funky, but well-engineered range of small cars that seem to sell like hot cakes around the world. Buyers clearly love love them - mainly, I suspect, because the designs are based on an iconic one suitably modernised and, most importantly, they know they are buying BMW engineering underneath.

For BMW, they have successfully entered the small car market, with a premium product, and avoided cheapening their "prestige" (yes, I know ...) BMW large car brand. Surely everyone is a winner with the brand engineering ?

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 15378255)
Nevertheless, the fact is that most of these small cars are bigger to accommodate safety features.

Not so sure that is completely true. Whilst crumple zones and airbags must take up some space, my guess is that this is more about the move to global models. In a lot of countries (unlike the UK with our limited space and historically narrow streets), cars are much bigger, so if you are creating a global model, you must produce bigger vehicles to compete with locally-produced models. Asia can be an exception to this (which is why Japan and Korea are the world leaders in small efficient cars) but, even there, the large western models are perceived as status symbols, so have a small, but profitable, market.

Richard 02-09-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellavista (Post 15377626)
Richard will insist that the dimensions of a Chelsea tractor are identical to that of the average saloon.
He used to justify his personal bus by citing increased visibility, because of the high driving position. He wasn't keen on the logic that if everyone bought them there would be no advantage.
Then again, he lives in the wilds of the home counties, where they are, of course, essential.
He could have just said it's a personal choice, but there you go.

Not sure what you were on when you think we had this conversation, but none of the justifications you quote were reasons for my purchases.

And I don't think that the South Downs National Park in West Sussex is a home county.

Stavros 69 02-09-2020 08:11 PM

People who pronounce Zaha, Saha.

Stellavista 02-09-2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 15379077)
Not sure what you were on when you think we had this conversation, but none of the justifications you quote were reasons for my purchases.

And I don't think that the South Downs National Park in West Sussex is a home county.

Ohhh. Will start searching through the BBS archive. Because it's there, and it was ridiculous.
You can forgive me my lack of detailed knowledge of your address - which could have been construed as some freaky stalking anyway - Andi will forgive your overuse of the dreaded 'iconic' in that BMW post.

PeterH 03-09-2020 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 15379037)
That's absolutely right. Peter H is way off beam citing Range Rovers as being the same size since the 1970s - the newer ones are vastly bigger than the original models.

I defer to your personal knowledge.

I have always used buses. They are quite large.

If you want to go down the tax route, and reduce street parking etc., pay extra tax on 2nd car ownership per household. Exemption is based on engine size or somesuch.

That way people can have a SUV, but they will pay tax on having an unnecessary second one. Or hopefully wont pay because the second car is a small run around. Catholics can be exempted.

bubbs11 03-09-2020 06:35 AM

People that get plum jobs despite being a failure at lesser clubs.

Koeman: not good enough for Everton - walks into Barcelona
Solskjaer: rubbish at Cardiff - walks into Man U
Southgate: useless at Boro - gets given the England job

Adlerhorst 03-09-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15379695)
People that get plum jobs despite being a failure at lesser clubs.

Koeman: not good enough for Everton - walks into Barcelona
Solskjaer: rubbish at Cardiff - walks into Man U
Southgate: useless at Boro - gets given the England job

Sometimes there is issues around skillset fit. Zidane would most likely fail in most jobs because he is tactically useless, but he clearly has something of a talent for managing super-egos, so does sort of work at Madrid where many others have failed who I would consider to be more tactically aware.

NRM the 2nd 03-09-2020 07:17 AM

This generations obsession with Nandos. Queues 2 hours long on the last day of eat out to help out. Its not all that chicken and chips, not worth 2 minutes let alone 2 hours. Get a grip people

Maidstoned Eagle 03-09-2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 15378353)
:)

More May than Clarkson.

Theresa?

west country boy 03-09-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 15379715)
Theresa?

Teresa.

Worksop Palace 03-09-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15379731)
Teresa.

Theresa

west country boy 03-09-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 15379746)
Theresa

No.

Worksop Palace 03-09-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15379776)
No.

Yes

(This could be a long game)

west country boy 03-09-2020 08:23 AM

It could but it won't be. Google "Teresa May".

DANGERMOUSE 03-09-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 15378126)
My Mitsubish Galant estate is too long to fit into a lot of spaces, would you consider that massive?

Of course. Wouldn't you?

Worksop Palace 03-09-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 15379804)
It could but it won't be. Google "Teresa May".

Yes.

It brings up a billion things on Theresa May.

Anyway, haven’t got time for you shenanigans. Got to get the dustbin lid to school.

Sees you later yoof


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