Does anyone know what time the BBC highlights are added to iplayer?

PS Not picking Broad seemed odd at first, but now it seems much worse than that. Surely he must be injured?

That batting first decision looks even worse now

Got to be a falling out, there can't be a cricketing reason.

Also how well was Stokes bowling in the nets? To make them think he was a viable bowling option?
He looked underdone before he hurt his knee. He was targetted as much as Leach was.

We can’t have a day with as little luck as that again, surely. We didn’t help ourselves with the Burns drops but everything went their way today. Everything.

Can’t help but feel there’s a long way to go in this series, they clearly can be got at if we stick at it.

A complete shambes, sadly. I honestly thought we might be in with a chance in this series. We still might, but a total re-think is needed.

Wrong team, wrong decision to bat, one-trick-pony Burns playing his one-day game, still hasn't learned to catch. Missed chances again, batsmen bowled off no-balls, Warner riding his luck, none of which has come our way yet. Having said that, the old saying you make your own luck is so true.

And, our top 5 - 36 runs, theirs 295 and counting.

Plan for the 2nd test now. All is not lost - yet.

Unfortunately, it's not just the bowling. It's being on your legs for the whole day in that heat.
But like i said earlier, it's a result of zero warm up matches.

Having to play an internal game is a shambles, when you're just facing the blokes you face in the nets every day.

Hopefully one of our backroom army of emergency shambles responders can provide Root with a 148-page deep dive dossier into what’s gone wrong.

We have to accept barring a miracle and a complete turnaround in Aussie fortunes, this Test has been lost and most likely by Day Four.
What i will say is you have to congratulate the Aussie's for their bold approach as at around 230 for 6 it would have been easy to say they had thrown away a great advantage, but to then fight back and really"go for it" and end the day 343 for 7 was a brave approach that will now see them win the game for sure when it could easily have slipped away.
This Aussie side are no world beaters other than having possibly 4/5 good players, but they realise on Home soil it wont take much to defeat this sub standard England side, who apart from lacking quality also lack the mental strength for a fight when the chips are down. What is very concerning is when we have to suggest the inclusion of Anderson and Broad who all be it they truly are World class will help tip the balance, but these guys are "pensioners" in cricketing terms, you have to ask where has our long term planning gone? other than that we have struggled to find an Opening pairing capable of succeding at this level, the same applies for a Test class spinner we badly lack, you can also ask should our One true world class batsman Joe Root be burden with the captaincy? he clearly struggles to cope with both positions., why not just let him focus on his much needed batting.
Sounds gloomy, but i think the Ashes series is lost so lets look ahead and start our planning policy on our return as to how we move forward at Every level from Selectors to players.

Unfortunately, so much is as a result of what happens far higher up the food chain. The ECB putting little focus on the county game and shoehorning fixtures at the beginning and end of the summer when bowlers can get away with bowling 80mph gentle swingers and picking up a load of wickets because of the conditions. Bowlers don't have to work for the wickets, spinners are unneeded and batsman are always likely to have a ball with their name on it.

But they'll create a new even shorter format, soaking up the best talent, meaning the county game is even more redundant.

It's a bit harsh to talk about Rory Burns playing OD cricket when he's hardly played the shorter format.

Born in Epsom, Surrey. A fading old ocker like you would love it there. White hoods, burning crosses, everything......

Yet this is what they based all their decisions on? It took about 2 overs to realise Stokes should have been picked as a batsmen as he was severely underdone.

Yet having him as a fast medium bowling option was the reason they went with Leach. Both options got taken to the cleaners.

I think you got suckered in by us announcing our team so early. You decided it was easier to copy us, rather than pick your best team.

After the deep dive, going forward, Root will learn something and would be fire figting better in the next test....

I reckon they should lock Rory Burns in a room for two hours with a picture of Sir Geoffrey Boycott and a tape on endless loop of him saying, "Show 'im t'makers name!" for starters...

Spot on there with your analysis and yes the team annoucement didn't help.



Maybe they also listened to Warne slagging Mitchel Starc off where he calling the logic behind his selection, and thought we have this boys.....


Like I said, Aussies are good with mind games, and when Eddie Jones became our Rugby manager and he was winding other teams up, the press went mad and called him rude etc. Before we go to Rugby, I digress so we can stay with Cricket



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I hear where you are coming from Tomo and there is some justiaction to your arguement. But my points refer to how we have let basic planning slip, lets be honest we have struggled for years to put out a balanced side it which always seemed lopsided and unbalanced, its not rocket science to suggest it needs 5 Batsmen, Allrounder, Wicketkeeper, Spinner and 3 additional Pace bowlers. How often did we see that? something that is basic.
Maybe the problem lay from the early days when we depended on Root to rescue the batting, Stokes as the dependable allrounder, and the outstanding Anderson and Broad our bowling saviours and that was the mainstay of the side and without any thought to planning ahead, which is why we now have these issues to overcome.
Unfortunately this has many comparrissions to my own County side Surrey, and for me Both need a long hard look at themselves and how it is being run.

Leach really isn’t good enough. Should go into the 2nd test with 5 seamers and Root as the spin option. 11 overs for 95 from Leach and they went from 40 odd for 1 and struggling to score to 110-1 in the space of about 10 overs. All the pressure had gone.

Also question marks over Stokes fitness and ability to bowl long spells. Makes the decision not to play Broad even stranger.

5pm

Eddie Jones is a ****, an embarassing control freak, how many staff have left under NDAs?

You can stick your posh boys sport up yer arse!

Just because we beat you. Ner Ner Ner :D


(Yes, I am 68 years old)

Lol

I also like AFL and I follow Melbourne Demons :)

Anyhoo. Let’s digress again haha

I wasn’t aware of that. Must admit I watch the matches but don’t actively follow Rugby as I used to

How long you been a fan? Since Sept 2021? :supergrin:

Bonesy will back me on this since 2018 when the Dee's were absolute pants lol..

He is to blame for me to follow AFL

I'm not a fan of Warne but at least he slags the Aussies off when he thinks it's needed. You'll never get Finn or Cook doing that to England.

At least he didn't try and make you a Cats fan! :eek:

Maybe Finn still thinks he can resurrect his England career :D

At 10 to midnight?

Thank feck for that lol.

One of my favourite cricket ground is MCG and this is where they play AFL too, so I decided to pick them to follow, must say last season was brilliant

I know we got battered in 2006, but Gilchrist got a 57 ball century?! Jeez.

I listened to that in utter horror. Just like 20 years before for Viv Richards’ 56-ball ton in Antigua.

These days I’d deffo switch off.

But even the basic planning is linked to all that.

And this match we've gone for a balanced line up, yet it is still executed terribly. There is no way in a game of this magnitude you'd have left out both Anderson and Broad unless both were injured.
I think Broad is a complete prick yet even I feel sorry for him!

But, to my original point, the Test side will find it much harder to be planning for the future because we don't allow our young players the opportunity to fine tune and work on their game, and too many get found out too early on. See Crawley, Sibley etc.

Sibley was found out because he has a shocking technique. Burns has a similarly awful technique, but for some unknown reason is not being dropped (is it six ducks in 2021 ?). Crawley has a far better technique and should enjoy the hard Aussie wickets, but like Jimmy and Broady, he's playing in the nets rather than in the middle. I'd rather open with Bairstow than Burns.

Yep. At least YJB has a hint of ability to play straight, if not always down the correct line.


That sounds a bit Eric Morecambe-like :D

Correct

Burns simply not fit for purpose

Thats total BS Razor;). You started in the 4th quarter of the Grand Final:D. Jumping on the gravy train and you're pinning this on me:eek:

Oy Oy, and you can eff off. Nothing wrong with my Club other than the coach and the pension cards our players own:p.

Who do you follow jim?

Nearly off the friends list Razor:D

Looking forward to the first session. Time to stick the dagger in (nicely) and put this game to bed once and for all. Another 90 runs and it's absolute curtains i reckon, if it's not already.

Was amazed to see when checking the stats today that England's overall record down under is quite close. Aus 19 Series - Eng 14 Series.
Although admittedly lots of England wins are way, way, back in history. Draw a line at say 1980, and it's been pretty much a bloodbath every tour.
It's all very much like Wimbledon pre-Murray - we seem to have this strange belief in a positive outcome.

It's curtains already. This England team cannot chase down a 200 run deficit.

My cash out is telling me it’s curtains already :p

It's all over as a contest already. 90 more runs and we are in innings defeat territory.

We shall return.

I suspect we may already be in innings defeat territory the way it has gone so far

If that's the case gentlemen then perhaps we pack the suitcases now and move on to Adelaide.
C'mon, you mighten win but you can still get some positives from somewhere.
Robinson looks like he has a really bright future, and Hameed seems to have a bit about him.

Hehe :)

I am sure he will come out as a Dee’s fan

I do think we have lost the last 9 or 10 matches and I can’t see stopping that run anytime soon

I do hope Burns and Hammed bat well in the second innings.

Adelaide is a chance for you guys. Gabba is incredibly tough for a touring team first up. It's nearly always a guaranteed win for us.

He's only got to face one more ball and it's an improvement:D:D

Sorry:p

Was listening to him on the ABC yesterday , said he had bought his boots with him.

There is always one of us that has ‘a bit about him’ for the last 30 years.

Gumboots for the weather. No point him bringing his spikes as they didn't help him when he was playing...........useless.

We won in 1983 and 1986 iirc. Even worse from the 1990 then.

Yep, agreed.

Robinson is different though. He has a swagger and a degree of self confidence that makes me think he's in it for the long haul. Hameed similar, albeit maybe not the swagger but has the belief. I like both tbh. Couple of good players on the up.

:)

I wonder if he will face the first ball. Tendulkar always avoided facing the first ball

I am more worried about Stokes, I don’t think the geezer is match fit. But I do agree the above two you mentioned have showed grit

Stokes looked so cooked late in the third session. The guy is an injury waiting to happen. He’s far from match fit. Admittedly it was hot and humid yesterday but a pro cricketer shouldn’t start like a 25 year old and finish like an 80 year old.

Might be a bit harsh but he ain’t in good nick.

He is not and I am worried we will see what happened to Flintoff all over again with Stokes.

Archer was the same. Flog him to bits. Moeen, fvck him around constantly. Rory Burns, same again next week mate. FEC.

At least we're used to England being crap, with a few glimpses of the promised land.

Watching this Australian side must be tough for their fans.

What time does play start today?

Half 11 our time

Why is it tough for us to watch our team?

Cheers

Why on earth are we opening with Woakes

Not you Bones. You enjoy watching Australia even when they lose to England.

I imagine for most it must be like watching Liverpool for the 25 years after we beat them at Villa Park

Because you’re far from the best team in test cricket.

A lead of 250 and above and we will lose by an innings

It’s not pleasant watching us lose but if the cricket is great then so be it. The series where Flintoff and co went ballistic was absolutely captivating cricket, as well as the contest between players. Hated losing but loved watching it.

Fair play Bonesy. But, as ever for us, success is not sustained. Great as those Ashes were, we get whitewashed the one after.

And Stokes’s Headingley heroics, which unlike anything else i’d ever seen physically made me shake towards the end, was followed by defeat at Old Trafford and the Ashes lost.

Whereas you bastards used to just steamroller on like gum-chewing, sledging robots.

Not this lot though. They might win this series then lose to New Zealand

Ok fair enough. Thanks for your detailed answer. Quality.
We might be a fraction in front of your lot though, which is always a good thing.

I enjoy watching new talent like Harris, Green, Carey and Head. Sometimes you’ve got to be patient and have a look at what the future might hold with some of these guys.

We might not be the best but we’re a long way further forward than a few years ago. We don’t have to be the best for me to enjoy watching test cricket. If it’s a good contest or some players are performing at a really high level I’m in.

Gum chewing sledging robots. Brilliant, I love it.

We can play some decent cricket on our own turf to.

Jonathan Agnew
BBC cricket correspondent on BBC Test Match Special
The Gabba must be the only cricket ground in the world with an adult shop across the road from it.

Aggers’ll know

Obviously purchased some larger anal beads after getting reamed yesterday

Makes a change from some hardcore Vaughan

Exactly how cricket should be

What sort of crowds are attending ? I know it’s a big ground but looks very sparse

Agreed. To much emphasis on the shorter versions nowadays sadly. The battles in that series were quite simply incredible. It still sticks with me to this day. Greatest series I’ve bore witness to. Shitty result but still amazing.

Not really bothered by myself and yeah England are utter shit at it lol

If the Aussies ever got good at football now that might be annoying.

And fair play in terms of your answer, I think that’s exactly what sport should be about :)

Warne doesn’t shell that total dolly off Pietersen on 15 at the Oval you’d have won.

We needed it more than you though.

Haven’t looked but Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide will allow capacity as it stands now. If Tasmania gets the 5th test which I believe they will, they’ll put a limit of 10000 from what I’m hearing.

It’s a shame as England are so crap it will be a boring Ashes.

Test in Tasmania wow. Hope that happens

I imagine the last couple of batsman will just whack it around. Then wrap it up by the end of today in all likelihood.

Tests over in three days aren’t up to much.

Yeah, I’m done. Congrats on your opening test win, Australia.

This is like watching Palace under Hodgson. A couple of good players and shit tonne of average.

Unless it’s you who’s winning them.

It’s just boring to be honest. It’s like watching a premiership team playing someone from league one.

Even then it’s not up to much. Winning a tightly fought game is more satisfying and better to watch. Although yeah you would rather be an Aussie supporter right now :D

Football. We’ve got some pretty decent talent but tbh it’s not our number one game compared to you guys.
It’s a fair way behind AFL, cricket and rugby league.
It’d be great though if we did get really good and gave you guys a kicking. Would laugh my arse off personally.

It’s more a couple of Division Four jobbies jostling to avoid re-election

Yeah it’s the only game England really cares about so if you did England over then it would mean a lot of bragging. Can’t see it happening.

Aussies not even caring if Lyons is on strike now.

Not with your team at the moment. You got some pretty impressive young talent playing and some real quality backing them up. You just got to win a trophy with this group as it could be another 30 years before you have this much talent and an opportunity for success.

Burns doesn’t drop one though.

As Dan ‘knobhead’ Knorcross would say, ‘is that the turning point’?

Montgomery Burns.
He’s had a mare the poor fellow.

Root’s a clown?

Great 150 by T. Head. Wonderful innings. Well done young man.

Burns playing like he's picked up a bat for the first time. All over the place.