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Rey Maualuga:

Can the Mods see if we can have an off-season thread or some other type of thing for this. Maybe a new thread starting after the Superbowl.

Somewhere I can post all the bits of news so people dont miss out on the 1 in 100 good bits of news I post.

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MOBILE, Ala. — The suitors lined up near midfield as soon as the South team had broken its huddle to end Tuesday's Senior Bowl practice.

Kansas City, New Orleans, New England and Baltimore all were setting up interviews for that night with Rey Maualuga, star linebacker from the University of Southern California.

"You can have me whenever you want," Maualuga told one scout.

"How 'bout April 25?" the scout replied.

Which would be the first day of the 2009 NFL draft.

There's no doubt Maualuga will be one of the most coveted defensive players in this year's draft. This season's winner of the Bednarik Award as college football's top defensive player, Maualuga was one of the centerpieces of a dominating Trojans defense.

As such, he looks like a sure top 10 pick. And someone who might perfect for a team looking to get bigger and more physical. Like say, the Rams with the No. 2 overall pick. Top-tier draft picks frequently skip the Senior Bowl, but Maualuga apparently has nothing to hide.

"No sir," he told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday. "This is something that I've been working hard for in my last couple years. To be able to be out here with a group of phenomenal athletes, and share my abilities with everyone else and to compete at the highest level. It's an honor to be here."

Then came the clincher.

"I'm just trying to be discovered," he said.

Discovered?

Make no mistake, every one of the hundreds of NFL scouts and coaches assembled here knows about Maualuga. However, what they're trying to "discover" is whether Maualuga is an every-down linebacker. No one doubts his strength and physical presence.

"He's a kamikaze," said one veteran scout. "He wants to kill people out there. He seems to run well once he gets going. But he may be just a 'triangle' player."

In other words, Maualuga's future in the NFL could be as a run defender at middle linebacker, hitting anything that moves between the tackles but coming out on passing downs.

There are some questions about Maualuga's coverage skills, and that could mean all the difference in the world in terms of his draft value. An every-down linebacker gets taken in the top 10. Someone who comes out in passing situations isn't as valuable.

"I've got a lot to prove (this week)," Maualuga said. "Like I said, I came out here to get discovered and show the coaches that the things I established during the season, I've gotten better at. I'm trying to show them that I'm a complete player."

Sometimes, Maualuga's coverage skills suffer because he over-commits to the run.

"During the season, I had tendencies of trying to make that big play," Maualuga said. "Leaving my feet and trying to make a phenomenal play when coach would say just make the plays you can make. Or don't try to be someone that you're not."

Maualuga has excellent size for a linebacker, even by NFL standards. But some critics wonder if he's so big that his speed suffers.

"People doubted my weight — being overweight," Maualuga said. "I'm Polynesian. I'm Samoan. We've got big bones, and our family, we're known for being big."

Maualuga said he measured in for Senior Bowl week at 6-1½, 254 pounds, after spending most of his senior season playing at 255-260.

"I'm positive about my speed, and I'm positive about myself covering the ground," he said.

As for a legitimate 40 time?

"I would love to surprise some people, so I'll just leave it at that," he said.

Which means, scouts and coaches may have to wait until the NFL scouting combine in February to gauge his speed — if Maualuga chooses to run there. (No timing is done at the Senior Bowl.)

Maualuga is wearing his familiar jersey No. 58 for the South squad, the same number that former USC linebacker (and current Seattle Seahawk) Lofa Tatupu wore for the Trojans. Tatupu also is of Samoan descent.

This week, he's still wearing eye-black under each eye with the word "Dad" on it.

"I wore my dad's eye-black for (almost) every game since I've been at USC," Maualuga said.

His father, a U.S. Army veteran and Pentecostal minister, died of brain cancer at the end of the 2005 season. For Maualuga, wearing that eye-black in Mobile is a sign that he means business at the Senior Bowl.

"Just being out here is a game atmosphere for me," he said.

Especially when you're trying to be discovered.

pauldrulez

21-01-2009 08:36 PM

Team Number 1 - Patriots

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With the Patriots [team stats] out of the Super Bowl, an event that has typically flown under the radar in New England might actually draw some interest Saturday: the Senior Bowl.

Some of the nation’s top players will be on display in Mobile, Ala., and at least one of them probably is going to hear his name called by the Pats during the draft.

After building through free agency in 2007, the Pats focused their efforts on the college ranks last year and were rewarded with a Defensive Rookie of the Year season from middle linebacker Jerod Mayo.

With cornerback and linebacker expected to be the team’s top needs on draft day, there are a number of players to keep an eye on when the North and South squads collide this weekend.

First up are the linebackers. This is considered an extremely deep draft at the position, possibly the deepest in five or 10 years, according to the draft experts at Pro Football Weekly.

One of the top linebackers is USC’s Rey Maualuga, a 260-pound behemoth who can play inside, comes from a proven system under Pete Carroll, and possesses excellent cover skills for a player of his size. Comparisons to Adalius Thomas are justified.

The only problem is, Maualuga already is a borderline top-10 pick and can cement his status this week. The odds of him lasting to the Patriots at No. 23 are slim, although stranger things have happened. The gift of Vince Wilfork [stats] at No. 21 springs to mind.

Next on the list is Maualuga’s partner at USC, Brian Cushing. The defensive end/outside linebacker hybrid has the size (255 pounds) to play in the middle, but he’s an excellent edge rusher. His versatility and athleticism would appeal to the Pats, and there already has been talk of 3-4 teams shifting him inside. His stock is likely to rise at the combine.

One player who projects to be available at No. 23 is Virginia’s Clint Sintim. A preseason All-American, Sintim struggled during the Cavaliers’ terrible start. But as their play improved so did his. With Virginia playing a 3-4 under Al Groh, the Patriots should have a good idea of whether Sintim fits their system. The 250-pounder is an edge rusher, but has the size to move inside and could fill a Mike Vrabel-like role.

Two players turning down invitations to play in the Senior Bowl who would have made this list are Wake Forest outside linebacker Aaron Curry, a beast of a pass rusher projected to go in the top 10, and Ohio State’s James Laurinaitis, a slightly undersized 4-3 linebacker who could have helped his stock by playing.

Shifting gears, corner is not considered a strong position in this draft. The only surefire first-rounder is Ohio State’s Malcolm Jenkins, who is not at the Senior Bowl.

One corner who could appeal to the Pats in the second or third round is Wake Forest’s Alphonso Smith. The ACC’s all-time leader in interceptions (21), the 5-foot-9, 190-pounder fits the Patriots’ mold in that he’s extremely quick in short spaces and changes direction fluidly. He’s also confident bordering on cocky, which could be a good thing.

The rest of the pickings are less inspiring. Cincinnati’s DeAngelo Smith is a physical corner with good ball skills, while Virginia Tech’s Macho Harris is viewed by some experts as a player whose name recognition exceeds his production.

One last player to watch is Oklahoma safety Nic Harris. He has been practicing at outside linebacker in Mobile, and normally would be considered a lock to land in a Tampa-2 system like Indianapolis’.

However, the Patriots appear to be placing a new emphasis on nickel linebackers who can cover, which led to hybrid roles for Rodney Harrison [stats], Tank Williams and even Lewis Sanders.

Harris is far from polished in coverage, but at 6-3, 230, he at least boasts the physical attributes to play nickel linebacker for the Pats.

pauldrulez

21-01-2009 08:38 PM

2. Dolphins (best I can find for now)

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MOBILE -- Four autographing-seeking fans charged back from the parking lot where they had just finished chasing Dolphins vice president Bill Parcells outside Ladd Peebles Stadium after Monday's Senior Bowl practice.

Each one wore a bigger smile than the next.

''Did he sign?'' said a person standing nearby.

''Yup!'' said the first fan, who was carrying a football with white ink scribbled across it. ``I broke him down!''

No doubt about it, Parcells' presence was noticed by many Monday in Mobile, where scouts, coaches and agents began to converge for the annual weeklong evaluations of this year's college seniors.

During the afternoon workout, Parcells sat in the bleachers next to Dolphins coach Tony Sparano. General manager Jeff Ireland sat directly behind them, completing a rare public appearance of the Tuna Trifecta.

So why did Parcells, who didn't travel to any of the Dolphins' road games this season and made only one appearance at the Senior Bowl during his four years with the Dallas Cowboys, decide to make the trip? Well, no surprise here: He wasn't willing to say.

''I don't talk,'' Parcells said in a light-hearted manner when approached Monday. He then turned toward Sparano and pointed his finger. ``He does the talking.''

It still isn't a secret that Parcells will be watching a number of potential prospects worth drafting with the Dolphins' 25th overall pick in the first round of this year's NFL Draft.

And don't expect Miami's brass to watch only the coveted prospects this week. As the team proved Monday by signing Canadian Football League star Cameron Wake to a four-year contract, the best players aren't always the ones with the most hype.

Wake, who went undrafted out of Penn State in 2005, wasn't even invited to the Senior Bowl. Instead, he settled for the CFL's British Columbia Lions, where he has made a massive mark that included two Defensive Player of the Year awards.

Over the past two seasons, after getting snubbed by the NFL despite running a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day at Penn State, Wake has amassed an astounding 39 sacks.

Asked why he wasn't drafted, Wake said Monday, ``If I could look into that crystal ball, that's the first question I'd ask.''

Now he will receive guaranteed money of nearly $1 million with a contract worth nearly $3.6 million.

Wake's addition -- he will play outside linebacker in the Dolphins' 3-4 system -- fills a considerable need for pass-rushing help, but it doesn't satisfy all of the other voids.

Two of those needs -- depth at guard and help in the secondary -- could be addressed with the crop of players at the Senior Bowl.

Interviews between NFL teams and the draft prospects began Monday night and will continue throughout the week.

CROWDER DILEMMA

It is looking less and less likely that linebacker Channing Crowder will return to the Dolphins next season -- even though Miami's brass still wants him back and even though he still wants to come back. The two sides are still far off when it comes to agreeing on Crowder's financial worth, a gap that will need to be bridged significantly for Crowder to resist the desire to test the open market.

jj62255

21-01-2009 09:21 PM

I don't know if you read this already, but there's a lot about the senior bowl and plenty other stuff on here http://walterfootball.com/

Strathclyde Eagle

21-01-2009 10:54 PM

No PFiA updates from Mobile this year?

pauldrulez

21-01-2009 11:11 PM

Someone is giving updates on 606.

Said Maualuga looked average the first day. Cushing looked good.

B.J Raji looked awesome both days and may have pushed himself into the top 5 at the least.

None of the QBs were majorly impressive.

PFiA, where are you? :(

Strathclyde Eagle

21-01-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

PFiA, where are you? :(

At a guess... Mobile, Alabama? :moo:

elliott

22-01-2009 12:03 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3848921

Very nice.

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 09:31 AM

That is an excellent column. Chokes you up a bit.

Benzhiyi

22-01-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

And I know I said no more Patriots rumours etc etc.

BUT, (this is not something made up by me or via any non-Patriots sources, it is in fact discussed by the writers in their AskPFW segment as well).

There is a buzz going around of big Free Agency movements as well as one trade on defense. This is due to the rumours of Bruschi, Vrabel and Harrison retiring as well as the 3 secondary members moving on. And BB has been furious at the Pass Rush as well.

The rumour is a trade of Matt Cassel and a conditional pick for Julius Peppers who wants out of Carolina and wants to go to a 3-4 system. Sounds ridiculous at first, but when you look at it, Delhomme has been hurt, and that playoff performance was frankly embarrassing and likely the final straw. To me, the deal is still unlikely, but I would love it.

The possible Free Agent pickups that I have been told are Jonathan Vilma from New Orleans to go along side Mayo. And either Nnamdi Asomugha (if not franchised) or Jabari Greer of the Buffalo Bills, who like Asomugha was deliberately thrown at in the games against their teams to see how they could handle Randy Moss as he lined up against them.

Take it as I have, as something I have been told by the same person who told me about the Franchising of Cassel and the confirmation of the Wembley game. He has been reliable so far, but I haven't heard anything as big as this from him.

1. Cassel is not the answer in Carolina. Even if discussions about a trade have taken place - which I highly doubt as Cassel hasn't even been franchised yet - I'd think John Fox is a sensible enough man that he'd let the FO know spunking $14million on an unproven quarterback who may turn out to be no better than Delhomme is ridiculous.

2. If you think Al Davis is just going to let Asomugha walk, you're more crazy than I thought.

3. Vilma totally failed - I mean, spectacularly - when Mangini implemented a 3-4 scheme with the Jets, hence him being offloaded to the Saints. He's a great MLB... but only in a 4-3 defense. So why would the Pats want anything of him?

Sometimes I wonder if you write this things just so we can have fun knocking them out of the park. ;) :lux:

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 09:47 AM

I only put what I was told.

This is Al "Vampire" Davis you know ;)

I know he will be franchised, which is why Greer was mentioned.

Anyway, back to Senior Bowl talk (this is eyewitness account from 606)

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The buzz around the day 2 practices is all around and it seems like some guys are making huge strides in their draft status. Here's the word:

- BJ Raji who I was hyping about yesterday is looking like the star of the practices for the North squad. I've been hearing Warren Sapp comparisons in terms of his burst and agility as a DT. while he does have some character issues (missed games for academic issues and some have questioned work ethic) he's obviously looking to make a great first impression on many of the scouts. Gunning for a top 10 selection and looking like he's for real.

- Was a rough day for QBs yesterday as the wind was gusting here (we live right on the Gulf of Mexico) and several struggled int he conditions. Rhett Bomar, who has the most to prove of any of the invitees, made some poor decisions and hung some passes in the wind. Big arm, but his touch was very suspect.

- WR Brian Robiskie from Ohio State made a good impression on the scouts in 7 on 7 drills. He was able to get separation from some pretty good DBS and looked crisp in his route-running (his dad is the Falcons WR coach so this should be no surprise). Lacks elite speed, but good hands and separation skills make him less of a project at the next level. Could contribute immediately as a possession guy.

- As far as centers go Cal's Alex Mack had a better day than the much more hyped Max Unger from Oregon. Of course, Unger had to go up against Raji, and as I stated earlier, Raji's a beast. I don't know how long Unger will stay on top at his position. He's got technique and awareness in pass protection that put him above the rest of the pack, but he's not as big and strong as many NFL centers. If he gets pancaked anymore by DTs at practice he may freefall. Look for Mack to emerge if that happens.

- LSU guard Herman Johnson weighed in at 382 lbs. I'm not commenting on his technique or practices...that's just one huge guy! Mobility is an issue for him, so he'll do well to trim down before the combine.

- The Patriots coaching staff was overheard at the Hurricane Brewery (my favorite downtown place for a pint) talking about how they liked "those two kids from Cincinnati." Not sure which they're referring to, but of the 5 Cinci players at the Senior Bowl, two of them are DBs. Make of it what you will.

- Louis Delmas of Western Michigan is emerging at Safety. He's shooting for the Polmalu vein: hit hard and fly around the field. High intensity guy. Impressed scouts with run stopping hits. No word yet on his hands. He's looking like maybe the 3rd or 4th safety off the board since Taylor Mays stayed at USC. Could be a great 2nd round selection.

-Larry English from Northern Illinois is making some gains at DE. He's still not an elite run stopper, but he can pass rush with the best. Not quite 1st or early 2nd rounder, but I can see him as an excellent late 2nd/early 3rd round choice.

- Alphonso Smith of Wake Forest. He's been making waves at CB. Had a pick yesterday in practice. Great top end speed and closing burst, but not a great tackler; his technique needs work. Great jumper for his height, and looks like he can cover well enough to get into the 2nd or 3rd round at CB. Not an elite talent, but possesses the tools.

Interesting.

15 mins until ticket time. My Mum has been charged with the job as they don't take Solo and i'm in college :(

If I dont end up with tickets, she can forget a birthday present... :D

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 10:50 AM

I got my tickets :lux:

And its sort of relevant:

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TORONTO (AP) — New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said in an interview Wednesday that his rehabilitation from season-ending knee surgery was "going really well," but he did not offer any timetable for a return to the football field.

In some of his first public comments since being injured in the first quarter of the regular season opener in September, Brady also told Toronto sports radio station The Fan 590 that he did not think the Patriots would be hurt badly by the defections of key personnel such as offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Scott Pioli, the team's former vice president of player personnel.

Brady was not asked during the interview if he expected to be ready for training camp or the start of the 2009 regular season. Nor was he asked about ongoing speculation that his recovery from surgery has been slowed by a post-operative infection in his left knee.

"It's going really well," said Brady of his rehab. "Anyone who's come back from injuries that require surgery knows it's just a process and there are some good days, some bad days and you just have to keep plugging through them."

Brady was operated on Oct. 6 in Los Angeles and confirmed on his Web site a couple of weeks later that he had a second procedure after developing an infection.

In the interview, in which Brady promoted a sports cream, the 2007 NFL MVP described himself as the Patriots "biggest cheerleader" after the injury. He said he watched every game and shared the team's disappointment in missing the playoffs with an 11-5 record.

He also noted that the Patriots defeated the NFC's representative in the Super Bowl, the Arizona Cardinals, by 40 points (47-7 on Dec. 21).

Brady said he was confident the team would make improvements in the offseason to try to get back to the playoffs, and he downplayed the departures of Pioli and McDaniels.

McDaniels was hired as coach of the Denver Broncos and Pioli general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs.

"There's change every year and you have to get used to it," he said, adding that the team's ownership and head coach remain intact.

"As long as we have Robert and Jonathan Kraft and as long as we have coach (Bill) Belichick we'll be just fine," he said.

Matt Cassel, Brady's backup for the previous three seasons, played well after taking over as starter and reports have indicated that the Patriots are considering placing the franchise tag on Cassel as insurance should Brady not be ready for next season

I'm turning into Zohar and eagleforlife

Benzhiyi

22-01-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Matt Cassel, Brady's backup for the previous three seasons, played well after taking over as starter and reports have indicated that the Patriots are considering placing the franchise tag on Cassel as insurance should Brady not be ready for next season.

This can't be right - a very reputable Pats source I know from a UK football team's independent forums insists Cassel is being traded before the draft. Apparently Carolina are on the phone right now.

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 11:10 AM

How the hell did I do a 19 minute double post?

saxoneagle

22-01-2009 11:35 AM

My pin doesn't work :(

Not like I'd be using any tickets I get anyway other than to ebay them :D

Benzhiyi

22-01-2009 11:46 AM

Booooooo @ Saxon. :veryangry

saxoneagle

22-01-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

Booooooo @ Saxon. :veryangry

It would make up for all the tickets I have had to buy in the past for matches at well over face value :D

Latvian Eagle

22-01-2009 12:23 PM

On the Cassel to Carolina thing...

I'd still prefer Jake over Cassel! And I certainly wouldn't be trading JP for him either! :vader:

jazman

22-01-2009 12:26 PM

Managed to book tickets fine this morning so happy days :lux:

Not so keen on the Pats coming over so will be a home boy at the game supporting the Bucs ;)

jazman

22-01-2009 12:30 PM

Interesting reports from Dallas this week. many rumours about TO, Phillips wanting to increase the fine structure but Jones not approving, the players having very little confidence left in Romo, the fact that they need a player in the Ray Lewis mould to lead the team which they have a distinct lack of and finally question marks over Jason Garretts future. It has been said about Garrett that he has been poor this season and many do not approve of his softly softly approach to Romo. All is not well, if the press are to be believed, or more to the point, the Dallas Evening Post (or News?) ...

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

22-01-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman

Shame..............NOT! :lux: ;)

jazman

22-01-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

Shame..............NOT! :lux: ;)

And to think I was supporting the Eagles to beat the Giants ... Glad I changed sides for the championship game then .. ;) :D

Benzhiyi

22-01-2009 05:01 PM

Direct quote from a Julius Peppers' agent on a Carolina radio station:

"Julius loves the Miami Dolphins' defensive scheme and would love to play for the Dolphins."

Don't get too green eyed, Paul, I'm pretty certain we won't be going near him. Funny though.

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

22-01-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman

And to think I was supporting the Eagles to beat the Giants ... Glad I changed sides for the championship game then .. ;) :D

It's a fair cop!!!!! Shame about the G'Men though was it not! :p ;)

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

Ah, he's average anyway ;)

But seriously that would be a great pickup to go opposite Porter as a LB. Or even as one of the Ends.

I'd be scared for Brady's leg next year.

Have you agreed a deal with Channing Crowder yet? As last thing I saw was that team and player were way apart.

saxoneagle

22-01-2009 07:04 PM

I am going to miss the ENTIRE next season :eek:

Strathclyde Eagle

22-01-2009 07:32 PM

How come?

jazman

22-01-2009 07:49 PM

I'd rather be doing what you're doing though Saxon.

Heard an interesting interview this evening when Tom Brady was interviewed on a local radio network. He excited about the challenges ahead that he faces in rehab although he is disapointed about the challenges that he will not be facing ... don't know if there is anything to read into that but interesting all the same ...

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 07:58 PM

Jaz, post 10612 of this thread has the transcript.

He went there to advertise a product he has been using on his shoulder. And therefore it became his first interview since the injury.

Never heard of the product or ever seen an advert yet its sponsored by LT as well.

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 08:11 PM

Ah, the circus continues, almost literally in Dallas.

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DALLAS -- The first time Michael Irvin watched "American Idol," he loved the concept of giving undiscovered singers the chance to become stars. Now Irvin is doing the same for NFL wannabes.

The Hall of Fame receiver is launching a reality TV show in which 12 "football neophytes" will compete for an impressive grand prize: a spot on the Dallas Cowboys' training camp roster.

"I don't know if you can walk upon any group of guys that wouldn't say they dreamed of playing in the NFL when they were playing in their front yard," Irvin told The Associated Press on Thursday. "So we're going to take a group of guys from their front yard, dwindle them to one and give that guy the opportunity of a lifetime."

The Cowboys confirmed that one of their 80 roster spots will go to the show's winner. The NFL did not immediately return a call.

The show, which doesn't yet have a title, will air this spring on Spike. It is being produced by the same company that's behind "The Biggest Loser" and many other reality TV hits.

Contestants are still being selected. They likely will need a football background -- just not too much. They also must be the right age, size and condition to handle an NFL training camp. The Cowboys open camp in late July in San Antonio.

"We want someone who will have a real opportunity to make the team," Irvin said. He also indicated the better the back story, the better an applicant's chance of making the show.

"You could've played college ball and had to give up for some reason," he said. "You know how many stories are out there of players who for some reason or another had to walk away from the game. ... We want to find those guys."

Irvin will be the host and he expects to have guest appearances from friends like Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. Judges will include Jones and former players and coaches.

The show will pit six receivers and six defensive backs. As for how they will compete, all Irvin would say is, "Tune in and watch. It'll be groundbreaking in so many ways."

The winner's biggest payoff will be the fulfillment of playing for the Cowboys. While the rookie minimum is about $300,000, that's only if he makes the team. The salary in training camp is closer to $1,000 a week for an undrafted rookie.

Irvin said this is about far more than money. It's the chance to catch passes from Tony Romo or to line up opposite Terrell Owens.

"What young man do you know that's not going to read (about this show), then head straight to the gym and say, 'I'm going to get ready,'?" Irvin said. "That's how this will inspire people."

Considering the Cowboys are coming off a disappointing season filled with all sorts of turmoil, adding a player more likely to be profiled in "People" than "Sports Illustrated" seems risky. It could be perceived as just another sideshow, like the cameras from HBO's "Hard Knocks" that tracked the team in training camp last year.

Yet Irvin, who hosts a local radio show that spends a lot of time analyzing the Cowboys, dismissed that notion.

"I don't see how you can make this a negative for the Dallas Cowboys," he said. "We all talk of doing good things for the community, for people, giving people opportunities. Jerry has stepped up and said, 'OK, let's do it."'

jazman

22-01-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Sorry Paul, missed that. Forgive me but when you do long posts one after the other I rarely read all the way through .. and if it starts about the Pats ... well .. ;) :)

Another player in the news is Tomlinson at the Chargers, rumours that they are reviewing his contract. He has felt the need to post on his own fan site that he has no intention of leaving the club where he started his career and where he wants to end it. But it's not all up to him ....

jazman

22-01-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Ah, the circus continues, almost literally in Dallas.

:D I see what you're saying, but the Cowboys have always been a team that likes to be in the news and on TV. Didn't they have a fly on teh wall series last year in the States?

Saying this though, the suggestion smacks of the one Chelsea did for a couple of years on Sky One. I watched that as I thought it was pretty good ... for players that may not normally get noticed and not in the right place at the right time ...

Anyway, Michael Irvine is a legend. :lux:

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 08:25 PM

Its not a bad idea if it works, but it could be a complete failure.

I'd like to see a team try it over here and look at the teams and find some UK players without them having to travel to the US

saxoneagle

22-01-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle

How come?

Travelling - will be gone mid-August 2009 until mid-March 2010. And then 6 months driving around the US after that which should give me a chance to maybe pick up some new stadiums :D

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman

Don't worry, i've been keeping Patriots news to a minimum and that shall continue.

It's all Senior Bowl, Draft stuff and important things the rest of the way :)

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 09:19 PM

And for lovers of Pat the Patriot.

http://cachemediasrv.patriots.com/Im...=0&w=190&h=170

Our logo for next season :)

jazman

22-01-2009 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

I'd like to see a team try it over here and look at the teams and find some UK players without them having to travel to the US

I agree. The format for the Chelsea one on Sky One was quite good. Would be interesting if Sky Sports got the idea and managed to get a NFL team interested ....

jazman

22-01-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Don't worry, i've been keeping Patriots news to a minimum and that shall continue.

It's all Senior Bowl, Draft stuff and important things the rest of the way :)

:D Yeah, I'll bet ... ;)

I didn't mean that, we all like to talk about our teams which is why we're all here in the first place and that we all have Palace in common. I just pick and choose what I read as time is valuable ... :p

jazman

22-01-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

And for lovers of Pat the Patriot.

http://cachemediasrv.patriots.com/Im...=0&w=190&h=170

Our logo for next season :)

To me Pat the Patriot gives me the impression that it's aged fag smoking dinner lady riding a patriot missile .... :D :o

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 10:21 PM

Tbh, this off-season, I want to learn as much as possible about some of the lesser known players from teams.

I mean, I know all about the Receivers and the top players etc. But learning more about the lesser players etc.

I'll put us much news on here as I can though.

And i'm going to stop being so annoying if thats possible.

:D

pauldrulez

22-01-2009 10:29 PM

Mel Kipers first mock draft

Quote:

Mel Kiper's first round
Pick Team Player Position College
1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU
19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas St.
20 Detroit (from Dallas) Rey Maualuga LB USC
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St.
22 Minnesota Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland
26 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi
29 New York Giants James Laurinaitis LB Ohio St.
30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
31 Arizona LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California

jj62255

22-01-2009 10:50 PM

Freeman as a first round pick? Oher at 28? :eek:

And a TE at 11, no matter how good he is, that doesn't sound too plausible, but stranger things have happened I guess

Benzhiyi

22-01-2009 11:33 PM

No chance Parcells and co take a wide receiver with our first pick. Just not his style.

Also, Peppers is too undersized to play DE in our system. He'd be SLB or WLB.

nookiebear

23-01-2009 11:06 AM

Redskins more likely to go Offensive Line I think with their first pick

elliott

23-01-2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

No chance Parcells and co take a wide receiver with our first pick. Just not his style.

I'm shocked... For Kipers, that's a terrible prediction!

A lot of them I didn't agree with...

saxoneagle

23-01-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

I'm shocked... For Kipers, that's a terrible prediction!

A lot of them I didn't agree with...

That draft looks awful to me!

Strathclyde Eagle

23-01-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nookiebear

Redskins more likely to go Offensive Line I think with their first pick

Orakpo is a beast though. Don't be disappointed if you get him.

LOL at Stafford and Sanchez in the top three. I think they'll both be busts (feel free to put that in sigs if you like).

saxoneagle

23-01-2009 02:30 PM

Sanchez will be lucky to be a first rounder, IMO.

elliott

23-01-2009 03:36 PM

Stafford will be a bust. I don't rate him.

Benzhiyi

23-01-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj62255

Freeman as a first round pick? Oher at 28? :eek:

If Oher is still there at 25 (which he won't be) he's Miami's left guard or right tackle for the next five years.

And I think Jim Schwartz begs his GM not to take a QB at number one overall. They have far bigger problems and can go after Bradford or McCoy (both better than this year's top QBs) in 2010 if Stanton doesn't take his chance.

Andre Smith is the pick. Would anyone honestly argue that the Phins made a mistake picking Jake #1 last year?

Benzhiyi

23-01-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Have you agreed a deal with Channing Crowder yet? As last thing I saw was that team and player were way apart.

Nope. He's replaceable anyway. Makes too many errors against the pass.

Yeremiah Bell, however, we need to wrap up soon.

ardeo

23-01-2009 04:40 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if Eagles went for OL, not sure why we need another running back. Buckhalter is good enough cover for Westbrook. Need an OL that can help develop the run game.

saxoneagle

23-01-2009 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

Yep, you should've taken Gholston... :p

saxoneagle

23-01-2009 04:43 PM

That draft has 4 LBs going in the first round. I reckon there will be 4 in the top 20 and 5 in the first round total, FWIW :)

pauldrulez

23-01-2009 10:04 PM

Herms gone.

Unsurprising really, Pioli wants his own staff in.

If Oher is there at 23, we'll take him and stick him opposite Light.

Kaczur sucks.

elliott

24-01-2009 12:00 AM

http://static.keebali.com/finheaven....pic12011_1.gif

jlmatthews

24-01-2009 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Kaczur sucks.

University of Toledo product....

Strathclyde Eagle

24-01-2009 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

Andre Smith is the pick. Would anyone honestly argue that the Phins made a mistake picking Jake #1 last year?

No argument here. :lux:

Enjoy Hawaii, Jake. Well deserved. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxoneagle

Yep, you should've taken Gholston... :p

I think Mike Lombardi said he played about thirteen snaps this year or something ridiculous like that. Given the way that Favre imploded down the stretch and that little amount of production from a first round pick and it makes you wonder how Mangini carried the can for what went on with the Jets.

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

24-01-2009 09:44 AM

The Eagles are the only team with two picks in the first round!!!! :lux:

Although Andy Read will probably trade these again :confused: :(

pauldrulez

24-01-2009 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

The Eagles are the only team with two picks in the first round!!!! :lux:

Although Andy Read will probably trade these again :confused: :(

Detroit?
You are until the Pats get a 2nd first :D ;)

Ok Ben, i'll stop...

pauldrulez

24-01-2009 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlmatthews

University of Toledo product....

He sucks ;)

And he keeps being caught on Turdwatch on PFT.

And he sucks. :D

But tbh, he only really stood out as a weakness as the other 4 were so good in 07. There were a few calls for Clady from the Boston press after Brady got murdered against the Giants.

Did anyone see the Giants reserve WR that got shot. I'll try and find the headline and quote it.

pauldrulez

24-01-2009 10:02 AM

Found a version of it, but there are better ones on googlenews

Quote:

The recent news of an attack made on New York Giants wide receiver Taye Biddle, in which he was hit in both the hand and leg from gunshots, leaves plenty of room to debate the topic of a football player's safety off the field.

The wire release reads:

Decatur police said in a statement Thursday that Biddle was shot Sunday night outside a residence and was treated and released from a local hospital. Police said there was no evidence Biddle caused or provoked the shooting.
In the comments below the NJ.com post, user pdg10 jokingly comments:
Mandatory bullet-proof vests for all giants WR's
Joking or not, safety off the field for New York Giants players this past season has been an issue.

First there was wide receiver Steve Smith, held at gun point outside of his home back in November but fortunate enough to escape unharmed and without shots being fired. A few days later Plaxico Burress' self-inflicted gunshot wound rocked the sports world.

And now this.

That makes for three Giants wide receivers in less than three months.

What is it about the Giants that they keep finding themselves in these incidents? Can and/or should the team step in and do anything about this? Comment below or discuss on NJ.com's Giants Forum.

jlmatthews

24-01-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

He sucks ;)

I wasn't disagreeing.

elliott

24-01-2009 02:34 PM

happy birthday btw Jase.

nookiebear

25-01-2009 10:56 AM

I can't wait to see what the Skins do with their whopping 4 pics :(

pauldrulez

25-01-2009 11:36 AM

I enjoyed the Senior Bowl.

JP Wilson started well leading a long drive for a TD on his 2nd drive.

Pat White (the QB they want to turn into a receiver) threw some good passes but did struggle with accuracy at times.

The 3 USC linebackers had a good first drive and then were very average. But, they made the odd stand-out play between them.

Graham Harrell was shockingly bad despite starting with the first team offense. His first snap under center, he dropped back, tripped, stumbled and just got the pass away before getting squashed.

Oher (the OT) had a poor game by his standards and from what i've read had a bad week in the camps as well.

Robiskie (I think thats his name) pulled himself up draft boards throughout the week and had a solid game. As did Derrick Williams. Both are WRs.

Two secondary players stood out for different reasons, CB Alphonso Smith and S William Moore. Smith dropped a pick-six, but was solid and has had a great week. Moore is rated highly, but made a good play and hurt his ankle. Looking back through his career, he is very injury-prone which may cause his stock to fall.

Number 1 winner this week: B.J Raji, DT, Boston College.
Big winners - USC Linebackers (Maualuga, Cushing and Matthews), Pat White

Number 1 loser this week: James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State. Declined invitation to the Senior Bowl where other Linebackers have stepped up and possibly gone ahead of him.

Big Losers - Graham Harrell, Michael Oher. Oher, as a left tackle needs to be able to pass block in the NFL, which he struggled with last night and through the week.

jazman

25-01-2009 01:03 PM

Just watched Americas Game on '76 Raiders with John Madden at the helm. Damn I love this programme! Interesting how a bunch of renegades (tolled up with arms in casts at that! :D ) made it all the way to the Superbowl having been the form side for a number of years before. I have a lot of time for Madden and what he did, comes across a great guy. Don't know if that is the general perception though ...

pauldrulez

25-01-2009 01:26 PM

Every AG and Top 10 is going to be on this week.

So check your TV guides.

http://www.jonathanevans.org/nfl09.htm

This has all the details. Or had them at last look :)

jazman

25-01-2009 01:37 PM

From what I ahve seen the Vikings have been the bridesmaid on far too many occasions ....

elliott

25-01-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazman

Holy Toledo. How bout dem Raiders....

I've got an awesome raiders game from 76 I think. Can't remember which one though. Either Miami or Pittsburgh I reckon.

The Raiders of the late 70s is a team I love to watch. Brilliant players, brilliant playbooks.

Most of that team are pretty iconic (Shell, Upshaw, Banaczak, van Eeghan, Tatum, Biletnikov, Guy, Casper, Stabler etc).

Did they interview Villapiano, the MLB??? He comes across as a complete dick in some interviews I've seen.

One of the teams that I could literally watch all day. Probably along with Dallas and Pittburgh of the late 70s, Buffalo of the early 90s, Browns of the late 80s and the Bears of the 80s. Oh, and the Air Coryell chargers.

jazman

25-01-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

Yes, Steelers probably as they claimed the Raiders as brutal. They hated each other. I think the opening game of the 76 season was these two and the Raiders won with plenty of dirty tricks and late hits ... I think the chamionship game ended up between the two before the Raiders went on and won ... great viewing.

One great point was that teh Raiders final game agants the Browns or Bengals, a loss would mean the Steelers wouldn't make it. It was all in the press saying why would the Raiders win the game. But that simply riled Madden and the players and they went out and thumped the opposition.

Yes, thats the guy I would have mentioned, Villapiano. He just wanted a fight all the time and he came across in that manner on the programme. He didn't look much like a thug though ...

Probably one of the best AGs I have seen so far.

saxoneagle

25-01-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

One of the teams that I could literally watch all day. Probably along with Dallas and Pittburgh of the late 70s, Buffalo of the early 90s, Browns of the late 80s and the Bears of the 80s. Oh, and the Air Coryell chargers.

[paul-ism]You forgot the Patriots of the 00's[end paul-ism]

:D

pauldrulez

25-01-2009 08:16 PM

We aren't a dynasty.

We needed one more of the last 3.

Team of the 00's. More than likely.

A dynasty. Not quite.

jazman

25-01-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

We aren't a dynasty.

Dallas was always better .. ;) :) :p

saxoneagle

25-01-2009 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

We aren't a dynasty.

We needed one more of the last 3.

Team of the 00's. More than likely.

A dynasty. Not quite.

Wow, you do talk some shit.

Elliott mentioned the Bills - they lost 4 in a row. The Browns of the late 80's didn't even make a Superbowl and the Bears won 1. The Dallas of the late 70's won 1 and lost 2 in 4 years.

We WON 3 in 4 years. Dynasty or not (which I think that team was, as it goes), they were more successful than most of the teams Elliott suggested.

Besides, it was just a joke in reference to your constant willy waving over the Pats.

pauldrulez

25-01-2009 08:56 PM

I guessed.

You know what, it might have helped if I had read elliotts post rather than both of Jaz's. Moron

We are successful, not were successful, have some confidence young man :hi:

3 Superbowls, 4 AFC Championships, 5 lots of play-offs winning at least one game in each. 16-0. Brady and Mosses records.

Could be worse.

Could be a Lions fan.

pauldrulez

25-01-2009 08:57 PM

I cant win either way lol.

I take the piss out of the Pats. I lose.

I say we are excellent. I lose.

Thats why i'm sticking to draft talk from now on.

jazman

25-01-2009 09:10 PM

I've been doing my research today. Mainly thanks to my growing interest in the America's Game programme which paints a great picture (if a somewhat more dramatised one which the yanks are good at :) ) ....

1. Team of the 60s has to go to Lombardi's Green Bay Packers with SB wins in '67 & '68 but more interestingly they did not return to the Superbowl until until '97 as winners and '98 as losers. A team that seems to do things in spurts ...

2. A special mention to the Minnesota Vikings who were the perenial bridesmaids reaching the Superbowl on four different occassions and not getting there since ... Buffalo Bills could be called the same after four consecutive defeats from '91 to 94, as could have been the Broncos until they won consecuitve titles in '98 and '99 ...

3. Kansas City Chiefs flirted with the competition in the late '60s before being triumphant in 70 and never to get there again since ...

4. Dallas Cowboys flexed their muscles by losing to the Colts in '71 and then winning the following season, losing out to the Steelers in '76 and then fhree in four seasons in '93, '94 and '96.

5. My hatred for the 49ers was evident in the 90's as that was my old mans team but they along with the Steelers and Cowboys lead the way with five titles each ...

I'm sure there is more I could mention here but I won't bore you as you probably know and you may be correcting any of the above ... but it has been interesting reading ... more so since 1999 which was probably the last season I followed until the Giants win last year ...

jazman

25-01-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

You know what, it might have helped if I had read elliotts post rather than both of Jaz's. Moron

Now I have been kind about people calling me a tool on this thread but moron I object to .. :o

Benzhiyi

25-01-2009 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Oher, as a left tackle needs to be able to pass block in the NFL...

Good insight.

Now, if only someone hadn't beaten you to it by writing an entire book on the subject.

:o

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 12:37 AM

Being fair, it's above Dan Dierdorf's normal level.

elliott

26-01-2009 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxoneagle

[paul-ism]You forgot the Patriots of the 00's[end paul-ism]

:D

Whilst I get what you mean (underneath all the "willywaving"), whilst it could be said for most of them, I wasn't necessarily suggesting dynasty teams.

The teams I have listed are just teams that I enjoy watching videos of. Not necessarily good teams. (I like the Browns because of their Cardiac nature, and the horrendous trench coats. Oh and Bill Cowher and Bernie K).

I can't watch Pats films. I hope they lose every game. I have about 7 of their games and every time I've wanted the other team to win.

Except I hope Hannah does well... Which he normally does...

pauldrulez

26-01-2009 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzhiyi

Good insight.

Now, if only someone hadn't beaten you to it by writing an entire book on the subject.

:o

And he cant do it. Or not from what I saw.

Probably why he has fallen so far down draft boards.

And I didn't actually read the book as it would have required me caring

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 09:34 AM

I read a while ago that the NFL was thinking of expanding the America's Game series to teams which hadn't won Super Bowls. I thought it was a stupid idea that would never see the light of day, and yet on NFL Total Access yesterday the words "America's Game: Missing Rings - 81 Chargers" appeared.

Yep, I'm sure Kellen Winslow and Dan Fouts want to talk about freezing half to death and losing an anticlimatic AFC Championship game in Cincinnati.

elliott

26-01-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle

Ha.

Best. Game. Ever.

The win in balmy Miami really took it out of them.

I wonder, is that the biggest swing in temperature between two consecutive games for one team. Surely it must be.

With windchill, the Bengals game was the coldest ever yeh?

I remember an interview, where Fouts said that one of his receivers (Chandler, or possibly Muncie) came in the dressing room from on the pitch and said "Guys. Everything that your wearing to keep warm... take it off. It aint gonna make a bit of difference!". Or something like that.

elliott

26-01-2009 10:07 AM

James... Can you PM me your address btw?

I got my merch through last night.

Needless to say, I'm currently repping Navy, Penn State and The U on my travels. I feel very odd!

Benzhiyi

26-01-2009 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

And he cant do it.

Based on one game?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez

And I didn't actually read the book as it would have required me caring.

Fair enough, but you often talk about wanting to broaden your knowledge of the game and I honestly think books like the Feinstein and Lewis ones would help.

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

I wonder, is that the biggest swing in temperature between two consecutive games for one team. Surely it must be.

Would have thought so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

With windchill, the Bengals game was the coldest ever yeh?

-59 or something ridiculous like that, wasn't it? Bonkers.

Didn't the Vikings of the mid 70s develop some kind of condition from going from extreme cold to warmth (for Super Bowls)? I think I vaguely recall it being part of the reason they built the dome there.

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 11:05 AM

Nice to see Jerry Jones getting down to hard work this off-season.

http://deadspin.com/5138830/their-youth-sustains-him

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 11:33 AM

Looking good, cap wise.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/s...-a-241535.html

Unlike the Jets. :lux:

And until reading that article I didn't know that Dwight Smith was now with the Lions. From the ultimate high point (2 TDs in a Super Bowl win) to 0-16. Ouch.

Benzhiyi

26-01-2009 12:02 PM

I like this plan:

Jets cut Coles.
Coles' good friend Penny talks him into coming to Miami on (a bit) less cashola.
Coles heads up a WR core that also includes Ginn, Camarillo, Bess and a late draft pick.

Mmmm. Tasty.

jazman

26-01-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle

Didn't the Vikings of the mid 70s develop some kind of condition from going from extreme cold to warmth (for Super Bowls)? I think I vaguely recall it being part of the reason they built the dome there.

Didn't help them win any though did it ...

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 01:42 PM

It wasn't a good condition! It was something to do with circulation or something I think (will need to look it up).

Oddly it didn't seem to affect the Packers (2-0) or Steelers (4-0) of the same era.

Strathclyde Eagle

26-01-2009 01:52 PM

Old article that says about Elliott's points about the 81 Chargers:

Quote:

Cincinnati beat San Diego in the AFC title game 22 years ago, and the details of that championship are frozen in the memory of former Bengal lineman Dave Lapham. Then again, that stands to reason.

Just about everything about Lapham was frozen that day.

The game, which would become known as the “Freezer Bowl,” was played in temperatures that dipped to minus-9 degrees with a wind-chill factor of minus-58, the lowest ever wind-chill for an NFL game.

...

“I remember playing the whole [Freezer Bowl] game and not breaking a sweat,” said Lapham, now a radio analyst who covers his former team. “My T-shirt was bone dry. We came out without any sleeves to try to psych the Chargers out. They had played in the heat and humidity of Miami the week before, so for them it was about a 150-degree swing.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan...p-nflweather16

saxoneagle

26-01-2009 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle

Nice to see Jerry Jones getting down to hard work this off-season.

http://deadspin.com/5138830/their-youth-sustains-him

He looks like Hef's younger brother.

nookiebear

26-01-2009 03:56 PM

Was weird last night. No NFL on telly :(

elliott

26-01-2009 04:31 PM

Yeh. Fortunately TA was on though.

Dave Lapham is cool. Is he the guard who now does commentary? I like him if so, seems like a nice guy.

Strath - I think was Jazman was suggesting that in building the dome, it didn't help Minnesota win any games. Not that having a condition would help you win games!

jazman

26-01-2009 05:16 PM

What did confuse me in my research yesterday is the franchise thing. In that what teams used to be who and the like as I have been caught out before assuming the Baltimore Colts are now the Indy Colts ...

jazman

26-01-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliott

Strath - I think was Jazman was suggesting that in building the dome, it didn't help Minnesota win any games. Not that having a condition would help you win games!

Yep, didn't put it well enough in hindsight. Was trying to think of teams that have never appeared in a Superbowl, probably too many to mention but the Lions immediately spring to mind. But the Cards are now off that list ...

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile

26-01-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazman

Saints, Falcons to start with!

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