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cpfc4evandeva 09-12-2021 09:51 AM

Does anyone know what time the BBC highlights are added to iplayer?

PS Not picking Broad seemed odd at first, but now it seems much worse than that. Surely he must be injured?

Jordan's Jacket 09-12-2021 10:01 AM

That batting first decision looks even worse now

crystaljim 09-12-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cpfc4evandeva (Post 16140589)
Does anyone know what time the BBC highlights are added to iplayer?

PS Not picking Broad seemed odd at first, but now it seems much worse than that. Surely he must be injured?

Got to be a falling out, there can't be a cricketing reason.

Also how well was Stokes bowling in the nets? To make them think he was a viable bowling option?
He looked underdone before he hurt his knee. He was targetted as much as Leach was.

jmemour 09-12-2021 10:04 AM

We canít have a day with as little luck as that again, surely. We didnít help ourselves with the Burns drops but everything went their way today. Everything.

Canít help but feel thereís a long way to go in this series, they clearly can be got at if we stick at it.

davech 09-12-2021 10:22 AM

A complete shambes, sadly. I honestly thought we might be in with a chance in this series. We still might, but a total re-think is needed.

Wrong team, wrong decision to bat, one-trick-pony Burns playing his one-day game, still hasn't learned to catch. Missed chances again, batsmen bowled off no-balls, Warner riding his luck, none of which has come our way yet. Having said that, the old saying you make your own luck is so true.

And, our top 5 - 36 runs, theirs 295 and counting.

Plan for the 2nd test now. All is not lost - yet.

Tomo 09-12-2021 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16140596)
Got to be a falling out, there can't be a cricketing reason.

Also how well was Stokes bowling in the nets? To make them think he was a viable bowling option?
He looked underdone before he hurt his knee. He was targetted as much as Leach was.

Unfortunately, it's not just the bowling. It's being on your legs for the whole day in that heat.
But like i said earlier, it's a result of zero warm up matches.

Having to play an internal game is a shambles, when you're just facing the blokes you face in the nets every day.

art malice 09-12-2021 10:26 AM

Hopefully one of our backroom army of emergency shambles responders can provide Root with a 148-page deep dive dossier into what’s gone wrong.

LuieJack 09-12-2021 10:37 AM

We have to accept barring a miracle and a complete turnaround in Aussie fortunes, this Test has been lost and most likely by Day Four.
What i will say is you have to congratulate the Aussie's for their bold approach as at around 230 for 6 it would have been easy to say they had thrown away a great advantage, but to then fight back and really"go for it" and end the day 343 for 7 was a brave approach that will now see them win the game for sure when it could easily have slipped away.
This Aussie side are no world beaters other than having possibly 4/5 good players, but they realise on Home soil it wont take much to defeat this sub standard England side, who apart from lacking quality also lack the mental strength for a fight when the chips are down. What is very concerning is when we have to suggest the inclusion of Anderson and Broad who all be it they truly are World class will help tip the balance, but these guys are "pensioners" in cricketing terms, you have to ask where has our long term planning gone? other than that we have struggled to find an Opening pairing capable of succeding at this level, the same applies for a Test class spinner we badly lack, you can also ask should our One true world class batsman Joe Root be burden with the captaincy? he clearly struggles to cope with both positions., why not just let him focus on his much needed batting.
Sounds gloomy, but i think the Ashes series is lost so lets look ahead and start our planning policy on our return as to how we move forward at Every level from Selectors to players.

Tomo 09-12-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 16140627)
We have to accept barring a miracle and a complete turnaround in Aussie fortunes, this Test has been lost and most likely by Day Four.
What i will say is you have to congratulate the Aussie's for their bold approach as at around 230 for 6 it would have been easy to say they had thrown away a great advantage, but to then fight back and really"go for it" and end the day 343 for 7 was a brave approach that will now see them win the game for sure when it could easily have slipped away.
This Aussie side are no world beaters other than having possibly 4/5 good players, but they realise on Home soil it wont take much to defeat this sub standard England side, who apart from lacking quality also lack the mental strength for a fight when the chips are down. What is very concerning is when we have to suggest the inclusion of Anderson and Broad who all be it they truly are World class will help tip the balance, but these guys are "pensioners" in cricketing terms, you have to ask where has our long term planning gone? other than that we have struggled to find an Opening pairing capable of succeding at this level, the same applies for a Test class spinner we badly lack, you can also ask should our One true world class batsman Joe Root be burden with the captaincy? he clearly struggles to cope with both positions., why not just let him focus on his much needed batting.
Sounds gloomy, but i think the Ashes series is lost so lets look ahead and start our planning policy on our return as to how we move forward at Every level from Selectors to players.

Unfortunately, so much is as a result of what happens far higher up the food chain. The ECB putting little focus on the county game and shoehorning fixtures at the beginning and end of the summer when bowlers can get away with bowling 80mph gentle swingers and picking up a load of wickets because of the conditions. Bowlers don't have to work for the wickets, spinners are unneeded and batsman are always likely to have a ball with their name on it.

But they'll create a new even shorter format, soaking up the best talent, meaning the county game is even more redundant.

It's a bit harsh to talk about Rory Burns playing OD cricket when he's hardly played the shorter format.

Prince Phillip 09-12-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 16140315)
Which village green side does Rory Burns play for?

#AllTimeDud

Born in Epsom, Surrey. A fading old ocker like you would love it there. White hoods, burning crosses, everything......

crystaljim 09-12-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16140613)

Having to play an internal game is a shambles, when you're just facing the blokes you face in the nets every day.

Yet this is what they based all their decisions on? It took about 2 overs to realise Stokes should have been picked as a batsmen as he was severely underdone.

Yet having him as a fast medium bowling option was the reason they went with Leach. Both options got taken to the cleaners.

I think you got suckered in by us announcing our team so early. You decided it was easier to copy us, rather than pick your best team.

RazorsEdge 09-12-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16140615)
Hopefully one of our backroom army of emergency shambles responders can provide Root with a 148-page deep dive dossier into whatís gone wrong.


After the deep dive, going forward, Root will learn something and would be fire figting better in the next test....

davech 09-12-2021 11:34 AM

I reckon they should lock Rory Burns in a room for two hours with a picture of Sir Geoffrey Boycott and a tape on endless loop of him saying, "Show 'im t'makers name!" for starters...

RazorsEdge 09-12-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16140656)
Yet this is what they based all their decisions on? It took about 2 overs to realise Stokes should have been picked as a batsmen as he was severely underdone.

Yet having him as a fast medium bowling option was the reason they went with Leach. Both options got taken to the cleaners.

I think you got suckered in by us announcing our team so early. You decided it was easier to copy us, rather than pick your best team.




Spot on there with your analysis and yes the team annoucement didn't help.



Maybe they also listened to Warne slagging Mitchel Starc off where he calling the logic behind his selection, and thought we have this boys.....


Like I said, Aussies are good with mind games, and when Eddie Jones became our Rugby manager and he was winding other teams up, the press went mad and called him rude etc. Before we go to Rugby, I digress so we can stay with Cricket



:)

LuieJack 09-12-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16140634)
Unfortunately, so much is as a result of what happens far higher up the food chain. The ECB putting little focus on the county game and shoehorning fixtures at the beginning and end of the summer when bowlers can get away with bowling 80mph gentle swingers and picking up a load of wickets because of the conditions. Bowlers don't have to work for the wickets, spinners are unneeded and batsman are always likely to have a ball with their name on it.

But they'll create a new even shorter format, soaking up the best talent, meaning the county game is even more redundant.

It's a bit harsh to talk about Rory Burns playing OD cricket when he's hardly played the shorter format.

I hear where you are coming from Tomo and there is some justiaction to your arguement. But my points refer to how we have let basic planning slip, lets be honest we have struggled for years to put out a balanced side it which always seemed lopsided and unbalanced, its not rocket science to suggest it needs 5 Batsmen, Allrounder, Wicketkeeper, Spinner and 3 additional Pace bowlers. How often did we see that? something that is basic.
Maybe the problem lay from the early days when we depended on Root to rescue the batting, Stokes as the dependable allrounder, and the outstanding Anderson and Broad our bowling saviours and that was the mainstay of the side and without any thought to planning ahead, which is why we now have these issues to overcome.
Unfortunately this has many comparrissions to my own County side Surrey, and for me Both need a long hard look at themselves and how it is being run.

GB2506 09-12-2021 12:07 PM

Leach really isn’t good enough. Should go into the 2nd test with 5 seamers and Root as the spin option. 11 overs for 95 from Leach and they went from 40 odd for 1 and struggling to score to 110-1 in the space of about 10 overs. All the pressure had gone.

Also question marks over Stokes fitness and ability to bowl long spells. Makes the decision not to play Broad even stranger.

RobertCPFC 09-12-2021 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cpfc4evandeva (Post 16140589)
Does anyone know what time the BBC highlights are added to iplayer?

PS Not picking Broad seemed odd at first, but now it seems much worse than that. Surely he must be injured?

5pm

adrenalin john 09-12-2021 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16140693)
Spot on there with your analysis and yes the team annoucement didn't help.



Maybe they also listened to Warne slagging Mitchel Starc off where he calling the logic behind his selection, and thought we have this boys.....


Like I said, Aussies are good with mind games, and when Eddie Jones became our Rugby manager and he was winding other teams up, the press went mad and called him rude etc. Before we go to Rugby, I digress so we can stay with Cricket



:)

Eddie Jones is a ****, an embarassing control freak, how many staff have left under NDAs?

crystaljim 09-12-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16140693)
. Before we go to Rugby, I digress so we can stay with Cricket



:)


You can stick your posh boys sport up yer arse!

davech 09-12-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16140759)
You can stick your posh boys sport up yer arse!

Just because we beat you. Ner Ner Ner :D


(Yes, I am 68 years old)


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