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saxoneagle 10-12-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

Not to cause a bigger argument, but I would say that should be Mannings job for the Giants as well as you cant stop them 3 backs. And he doesn't have the greatest receivers in the world either without Burress. Smith, Toomer, Boss and Hixon have all proved they have ability though. And Derrick Ward catches a lot of passes as well.

So you are saying that despite the fact Manning has no weapons to throw to, he's worse than Rivers because he won a ring with rubbish receivers?

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
Yes, we can. He is another good quarterback that can't manage a game. Look at the Pittsburgh match. Even though Witten said he ran the wrong route, with a clear lane, Romo could see he'd run the wrong route yet still threw the pass.

Oh, and he can't hold a snap on an extra point, either. :p

:D

That was two passes in a row, although some receivers change their route as they see the play unfold and the QB automatically looks for the change, that looked to me like Witten ran what he was supposed to and Romo was on a different play to everyone else. I'm pretty sure only one receiver was looking at Romo at the time. And the others were on their way down the field and not looking (like Witten was)

Vince Hilaire's Afro 10-12-2008 08:51 PM

Just going to let the Panthers keep ticking along under the radar......

saxoneagle 10-12-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
:D

That was two passes in a row, although some receivers change their route as they see the play unfold and the QB automatically looks for the change, that looked to me like Witten ran what he was supposed to and Romo was on a different play to everyone else. I'm pretty sure only one receiver was looking at Romo at the time. And the others were on their way down the field and not looking (like Witten was)

WRONG! :clown:

Witten immediately held his hand up and said afterwards he'd run the wrong route. :clown:

Still doesn't change the fact Romo threw the ball.

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
So you are saying that despite the fact Manning has no weapons to throw to, he's worse than Rivers because he won a ring with rubbish receivers?

You're a tool.

No, I'm saying he is more of a game manager than Rivers is. Rivers can take the game on his shoulders and have a shootout. I haven't seen Manning have a shootout this year.

As I put before, thats because of the Defenses and difference in running games of the two teams. Rivers has to do it, I haven't seen Manning do it. Thats probably why I think he is better than Manning. Yes Manning does have a Superbowl (cough)lightning in a bottle(cough);) so therefore his record is going to be better than Rivers if you class it like that.

We were originally talking about the trade.

Who would you rather have:
Eli "the tramp" Manning or Phillip Rivers, Nate Kaeding and Shawne Merriman

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
WRONG! :clown:

Witten immediately held his hand up and said afterwards he'd run the wrong route. :clown:

Still doesn't change the fact Romo threw the ball.

Well, I obviously wasn't watching Wittens hands as I thought it was aimed to someone else. Its not my fault Romo is a homo.

saxoneagle 10-12-2008 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
No, I'm saying he is more of a game manager than Rivers is. Rivers can take the game on his shoulders and have a shootout. I haven't seen Manning have a shootout this year.

As I put before, thats because of the Defenses and difference in running games of the two teams. Rivers has to do it, I haven't seen Manning do it. Thats probably why I think he is better than Manning. Yes Manning does have a Superbowl (cough)lightning in a bottle(cough);) so therefore his record is going to be better than Rivers if you class it like that.

We were originally talking about the trade.

Who would you rather have:
Eli "the tramp" Manning or Phillip Rivers, Nate Kaeding and Shawne Merriman

So on one hand you talk about the Giants D but then we are having an argument over a trade which includes a defensive player. You have to then expand the discussion to what the players have done for their team.

If Rivers can win a shootout, and often has to, then it could be argued that even Merriman isn't enough of a difference maker on the other side of the ball causing Rivers to be in that position.

Just ask yourself this, which to me over-rides everything previously said: in the Superbowl, coming down the stretch, needing a score against the undefeated New England Patriots, would you rather have Manning or Rivers leading your team?

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 09:29 PM

I'll answer that when I can find who has the most 4th quarter comebacks of the two.

Anyway
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The neck injury that Dallas cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones sustained at Pittsburgh is so serious, it has ended his 2009 season and could end his career, a league source said Wednesday.

When Jones suffered the injury Sunday, his body went numb for two full minutes. Jones spent the early part of this week visiting with neck specialists, who are sending him on to more neck specialists.

Jones will undergo further examination in the Dallas area, and also is trying to schedule another meeting with another neck specialist in North Carolina.

Those who know Jones say he is “definitely done for the year” and he could be done for his career, which would be a massive blow to Jones and another one to the Cowboys.

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 09:46 PM

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SAN JOSE, Calif. -- The father of New England Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel has died.

Coach Bill Belichick said Wednesday that Greg Cassel died Monday night and Matt has left the team. Belichick said he didn't know when the player would return.

Greg Cassel was a script writer in California, and the Patriots were practicing at San Jose State this week for Sunday's game at the Oakland Raiders. The team stayed on the West Coast after last Sunday's 24-21 win in Seattle.

Matt Cassel is from Northridge in the Los Angeles area and his father and mother Barbara divorced when he was 14.
:(

Strathclyde Eagle 10-12-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Who would you rather have:
Eli "the tramp" Manning or Phillip Rivers, Nate Kaeding and Shawne Merriman

I'll have the Super Bowl ring please.

And yes, the Chargers did well out of the trade, but until they win the big one I think you have to call it in the Giants' favour.
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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
Just going to let the Panthers keep ticking along under the radar......

I'll just say now that they've beaten the Giants on the road in the play-offs before and they're capable of doing so again. :D
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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
And for the record, with the team they have down in Dallas, their performances post-season are completely unacceptable, including the QB.

Erm, when did Jazman last post? Does anyone have his address? Might be an idea to knock on his front door and make sure he's okay. ;)

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 11:26 PM

Fair enough on the ring, but if you discount the rings etc and just have it as the players qualities.

Them 3 players or Eli.

For me, there is no contest, not because I hate Eli, but because I think the Chargers have 3 quality players, the Giants have one.

Jaz has posted in the Fantasy NFL thread today, just to blame Fox for him losing again.

I'll nail my colours to the mast now and say the Superbowl will be:

The Carolina Panthers against the Tennessee Titans.

Two running back tandems against each other.

Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams against Chris Johnson and LenWhale Diet.

Or, it could be the ManningBowl as the Colts could easily win out and hit the playoffs in form and take on the Broncos/Chargers in the 5th seed position.

Or, it could be the RookieBowl with Ryan vs Flacco in Falcons vs Ravens.

Or, the NYBowl, where I wont watch if it happens.

Or the Patriots-Cowboys in the 1,000,000/1 Bowl. As in, no chance.

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 11:27 PM

Or it could be the AverageBowl in the battle of the Cardinals and the Broncos.

At least it would be a shootout.

I've narrowed it down to 6 :hi: ;)

saxoneagle 10-12-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Fair enough on the ring, but if you discount the rings etc and just have it as the players qualities.

Paul, seriously, shut the f*ck up cos you are annoying me.

You can't discount the f*cking rings, it is what careers are defined upon ultimately unless you are a Brett Favre or an Emmitt Smith and you have the yards and the TDs to backup your performances (although they have rings too, you know).

In this argument, you can't discount the fact one has won it all and one has won f*ck all.

Please. Stop it.

Strathclyde Eagle 10-12-2008 11:37 PM

You did know that the Chargers got more players in the trade, right? ;)

When the trade was made I thought, "Wow, the Giants gave up a lot to get Eli." When they won the Super Bowl it made it worthwhile. That's exactly why they traded for him.

Strathclyde Eagle 10-12-2008 11:43 PM

And the Cowboys-Giants line is Cowboys by 3.5.

pauldrulez 10-12-2008 11:54 PM

s sake, all I said originally is that I would prefer Rivers, Merriman and Kaeding to Eli "tramp" Manning.

In fact, I would prefer Rivers to Manning. And if I had one of them players to replace Brady, it would be Rivers every time.

And prediction: Giants 24-21 Cowboys

saxoneagle 10-12-2008 11:57 PM

"Discount the rings" must be the stupidest thing you've ever said, actually.

sLlll 10-12-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
s sake, all I said originally is that I would prefer Rivers, Merriman and Kaeding to Eli "tramp" Manning.

In fact, I would prefer Rivers to Manning. And if I had one of them players to replace Brady, it would be Rivers every time.

And prediction: Giants 24-21 Cowboys

Go Romo :lux:

pauldrulez 11-12-2008 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
"Discount the rings" must be the stupidest thing you've ever said, actually.

Ok, We wont discount the rings then,

Ahmed Bradshaw is obviously better than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Jared Lorenzen is better than Tony Romo.

Without the rings and the trophies, you judge the ability.

Who is/was a better player, Theo Zagorakis or Luis Figo?

saxoneagle 11-12-2008 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Ok, We wont discount the rings then,

Ahmed Bradshaw is obviously better than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Jared Lorenzen is better than Tony Romo.

Without the rings and the trophies, you judge the ability.

Who is/was a better player, Theo Zagorakis or Luis Figo?

Oh right, so now the global game of football is the same as the almost US only with only one major trophy sport of American Football?

P*ss off, Paul.


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