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Benzhiyi 28-01-2009 05:45 PM

Rofl - from boston.com:

"What has Cassel proven aside from the fact that he can't throw accurate crossing patterns or downfield at all, for that matter? He's shown that he can take maybe the best offense in the history of the game and turn it into the 19th best offense of the 2008 season. He's shown that he can lead the league in sacks despite playing behind an offensive line that gave up the fewest sacks in the league a year ago."

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 06:04 PM

Actually, over half of the sacks were in the first couple of weeks without half of the OL and taking the sack rather than avoiding it.

Boston.com = Herald. Also known as the ones not allowed interviews with the team anymore after their lies during Spygate.

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 06:06 PM

And he threw downfield consistently after Moss told him he cant be overthrown.

Last 8 weeks he overthrew Moss 12 times, all landed in bounds.

He is no Brady. But he is better than a lot of the QBs in the NFL. Because he is part of the Patriot system. Possibly. Could he fail going somewhere else. tbh I dont care.

saxoneagle 28-01-2009 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez
And he threw downfield consistently after Moss told him he cant be overthrown.

Last 8 weeks he overthrew Moss 12 times, all landed in bounds.

Then he can't throw downfield - the idea is to hit the receiver, not under or OVER throw him.

Most QBs can throw a ball a loooooong way, but doing it accurately is what separates the great from the distinctly average. Cassel does not have the accuracy that someone like Peyton has and it's tough to learn that kind of skill.

Assuming Moss was running the correct route and reading the drop, then there is no reason for Cassel to be missing him so badly by over-throwing.

:clown:

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 08:12 PM

Moss said at the start of the year during the media availability section of Practice and I quote:

"Throw it as far as you can, I cannot be overthrown."

Therefore, Cassel threw it as far as he could and Randy couldn't get there.

Yes, he made some stupid mistakes early in the season but he nearly got a team to the playoffs that lost the best QB in the league and future hall of famer after 14 offensive snaps, 11 of which were passes.

saxoneagle 28-01-2009 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Moss said at the start of the year during the media availability section of Practice and I quote:

"Throw it as far as you can, I cannot be overthrown."

Therefore, Cassel threw it as far as he could and Randy couldn't get there.

Yes, he made some stupid mistakes early in the season but he nearly got a team to the playoffs that lost the best QB in the league and future hall of famer after 14 offensive snaps, 11 of which were passes.

Randy couldn't get there = Cassel over-threw the route.

I don't f*cking care what Moss said - the fact Cassel couldn't hit him is, in the main, Cassel's fault. Like I said, most QBs can throw a ball miles, but throwing it 40+ yards and hitting a receiver is a different skill entirely.

I'll say this in big letters for you:

CASSEL CAN NOT THROW ACCURATELY DOWN FIELD.

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 09:12 PM

Thats funny because his first completion of the season was a 50 yarder to Moss with few yards after catch. That was from his own end zone.

He then had the long bomb TD vs San Fran.

Should have had one to Gaffney who dropped a simple catch and volleyed it into the endzone.

Now i've grabbed my statsheets from the season, there was the pass that went over Dansby's head as he flattened Cassel and went 30-40 to Gaffney as well as the bombs against Seattle as well as the one against the Rams that set up Faulk's TD.

To say he cant throw it is ridiculous.

To say he cannot do it consistently is correct.

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 09:18 PM

Last 8 games stats (when the TE/OL was fit since people like Brady comparisons):
4 Interceptions. (1 in last quarter)
19 sacks (5 against Pittsburgh)
14 TDs
400yds twice
300 against Zona but pulled in 3rd quarter to avoid running up score........

But he is obviously rubbish of course.

saxoneagle 28-01-2009 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Last 8 games stats (when the TE/OL was fit since people like Brady comparisons):
4 Interceptions. (1 in last quarter)
19 sacks (5 against Pittsburgh)
14 TDs
400yds twice
300 against Zona but pulled in 3rd quarter to avoid running up score........

But he is obviously rubbish of course.


And we also have one of the highest YAC figures in the NFL... :clown:

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 10:53 PM

Lets look at recent trades then since we have to continue this pointless debate.

Although i'm sure most people here are unhappy with Brady's return from injury (since I said he was fine all along), i'll look at the biggest recent trade for a Quarterback that I could find.

Matt Schaub to Houston - swap of 1st round picks and 2 Second Rounders (from Atlanta).

His stats. 84-161, 1033 yards. 6 TDs, 6 INTs.

Now i'm off to find the bits on Cassels trade value which may or may not help my argument and status on this thread. (Please help ;) )

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 10:56 PM

Number One - reknowned analyst and quarterback expert, Steve Mariucci.

Quote:

TAMPA -- Former 49ers and Lions head coach Steve Mariucci, who had a strong reputation for his work with quarterbacks, now serves as an analyst for NFL Network. He was asked today for his thoughts on what Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel might be worth in a trade.

“Would you take a Mark Sanchez or a [Matthew] Stafford out of college in the first round, or would you take a Matt Cassel, who has won big games, is 11-5 already, and has experience under his belt for a first-rounder? You’d take Matt Cassel, I would think,” Mariucci said.

“He’s a healthy young guy who has experience. So yeah, he’s a first-round [pick] easy. More than a first round. First and something else.”

Mariucci elaborated on Cassel.

“I would put a high value on him, but keep in mind that he’s a young quarterback playing on a very good team,” he said. “Ben Roethlisberger was 15-1 as a rookie playing on a very good team. Not often does a youngster at quarterback have that advantage. [Cassel] was fortunate to play on a championship, dynasty type team and be 11-5, a terrific job. You put him on a bad team, and obviously he’s not going to be as productive. But he showed some physical skills that were very encouraging. He showed some savvy. Maturity. He did a good job handling the media and handling the situation there with Tom Brady. Those type of things add up, they’re all positives.”

Mariucci believes the Patriots will end up keeping Cassel, even given the salary cap considerations.

“I would be shocked if he’s playing for somebody else, because you have to have – in this day and age – two good quarterbacks,” he said. “And sometimes that’s not enough.”
The second bold bit is odd, the only other teams with 2 good QBs in my opinion are Cleveland, Miami, Pittsburgh and Arizona. And that depends on the definition of good.

Some teams don't even have one.

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 11:07 PM

Quote:

Rick-Lowell, MA: In your opinion, what is Cassel worth? Some have said the market is a mid first rounder, but adam schefter said on the radio this morning that it's more likely something like a 2nd and a 5th. What does your gut say?

Tim Graham: I answered that one already ... high to mid first-rounder to start. More picks to get the deal done.
From ESPN

pauldrulez 28-01-2009 11:16 PM

They are the 3 official ones i've found:

NFLN Mariucci - at least a 1st.

NFLN Schefter - 2nd and 5th (Never liked him)

ESPN - high - mid first plus more.

There are a lot of teams that need a QB in this league. I fancy SanFrans pick at 10.

Let's face it, it isn't fair if the Patriots have 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders a third, a third compensatory pick and any other picks for Cassel. All we need is defense. Too easy. ;)

Benzhiyi 28-01-2009 11:37 PM

Hahahaha quoting Mariucci, a man living off what he achieved nearly a decade ago. Well done.

Derek Anderson was as hot, if not hotter, property last season. Cleveland wanted a first and a third. No-one went near him.

jazman 29-01-2009 12:15 PM

I'm in my element this week with Americas Game appearing on my Sky+ at such a rate ... also Total Access showing the mood down in Tampa, boy, I love this time of year, the build up is great ... I'm in training for Sunday as well, getting some late nights in .. :)

saxoneagle 29-01-2009 12:39 PM

Paul - I'm not saying we might not get a first rounder for him. I am however pointing out that he's not that good and was made to look better by a scheme, a bunch of coaches and a team of backs and receivers who made him look good.

jazman 29-01-2009 12:48 PM

All this draft talk, you may as well be all talking another language for all I know ...

pauldrulez 29-01-2009 01:31 PM

I'll teach you in my remaining time on the thread Jaz ;)

Saxon, obviously the system has a lot to do with it, but he showed a lot of composure in and out of the pocket to end the year.

There are teams that all they need a Quarterback and you only need 2 to create a bidding war.

elliott 29-01-2009 01:48 PM

Just off topic slightly, going back to those scatty Pats jerseys (with the silly slanty futuristic writing), I just used that font in my Steelbowl X t-shirts and flyers...It was probably the best one I found...

Bad times...

pauldrulez 29-01-2009 02:03 PM

I like that font, can't find it when I look though.

Pro-bowl News - Owen Daniels replacing Antonio Gates deservedly at Tightend. Daniels had a great season. Gates, like Rivers pulling out.

Talking of Rivers, I cant get over Favre being chosen. Not just that, 5th best QB last season... Kerry freakin Collins. Not Roethlisberger? Not Pennington? Not Cassel? or Schaub. Hell even Flacco and Garrard couldn't have been that far off ;)


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