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RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16139037)
A least he learnt to spell

:)

Olympian2 08-12-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139159)
If you’re referring to Hameed, he was born in Bolton, nr Manchester, England.

You daft racist prick.

HTH

Ahhhhhhh. And is, of course, of Indian heritage....

Which is why I genuinely couldn't work out out to whom he was referring. What an unbelievably (or not, considering the poster) ignorant post.

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139163)
At least rain is on our side….

Not really. Looks like it will clear over night to reveal hot and sunny conditions first up tomorrow. Nice for batting……

Quelle surprise.

0.bj 08-12-2021 09:22 AM

Root and Silverwood once again showing they’re tactically inept. Love Joe as a player but he’s a pretty dreadful captain surviving off an average wins record attained over a ridiculous period of time.

spike 08-12-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 16138802)

Credit to the Pakistani lad though, done a sterling job for the soap dodgers while all around him failed.

The other Aus posters have tried defending you as not racist, but this is complete nonsense. **** off.

LuieJack 08-12-2021 09:32 AM

147 All Out, were we really surprised? apart from Root our batting is sub standard at Test level especially when it come to the Ashes in Australia, and as for the bowling attack just imagine when the outstanding and dependable Anderson and Broad finally hang up their boots. Oh Well.

crystaljim 08-12-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16139199)
Root and Silverwood once again showing they’re tactically inept. Love Joe as a player but he’s a pretty dreadful captain surviving off an average wins record attained over a ridiculous period of time.

This.

Unbelievable to leave both Broad & Jimmy out. How can you tactically defend that team.

Perhaps us announcing the team so early was a tactical manoeuvre after all.

You certainly copied it, when you were better off playing to your strengths, rather than imitating our 11.

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 16139204)
147 All Out, were we really surprised? apart from Root our batting is sub standard at Test level especially when it come to the Ashes in Australia, and as for the bowling attack just imagine when the outstanding and dependable Anderson and Broad finally hang up their boots. Oh Well.

That’s a little harsh on Stokes…..

Big Blue Eagle 08-12-2021 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139168)
Ahhhhhhh. And is, of course, of Indian heritage....

Which is why I genuinely couldn't work out out to whom he was referring. What an unbelievably (or not, considering the poster) ignorant post.

Really can’t understand how he’s still on here, lots have been banned for similar racist sh*t.

Prince Phillip 08-12-2021 09:41 AM

It's not just England, it's just another weak touring side. Test cricket in general is only throwing up competitive tourists in about one in every 10 series around the globe. The patient is very ill.

cockneyrebel 08-12-2021 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle (Post 16139211)
Really can’t understand how he’s still on here, lots have been banned for similar racist sh*t.

Yeap, what a horrible post by him.

matayusgiovanni 08-12-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 16138802)
Moisture in the pitch, moisture in the air, thick cloud cover overhead, so the spineless dweeb Pommy captain elects to bat first, because he was scared shitless of copping flak for not doing so.

You seriously couldn’t make it up.

History has long shown that when you’re trying to win a Test series away from home, you have to take some risks, otherwise you’re just handing the momentum and control of the matches straight over to your opposition.

Thnx for that spineless Joe, hope you enjoyed the session.

Credit to the Pakistani lad though, done a sterling job for the soap dodgers while all around him failed.

What a lovely human being you are, not even remotely subtle anymore. You're a 60 year old man, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Braders 08-12-2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 16138802)
Moisture in the pitch, moisture in the air, thick cloud cover overhead, so the spineless dweeb Pommy captain elects to bat first, because he was scared shitless of copping flak for not doing so.

You seriously couldn’t make it up.

History has long shown that when you’re trying to win a Test series away from home, you have to take some risks, otherwise you’re just handing the momentum and control of the matches straight over to your opposition.

Thnx for that spineless Joe, hope you enjoyed the session.

Credit to the Pakistani lad though, done a sterling job for the soap dodgers while all around him failed.

:jerkit:

spike 08-12-2021 10:09 AM

To illustrate this to the Aus contingent, this is more ignorant than it would be to call Steve Smith "the Irishman", with a side order of "all brown people look the same".

davech 08-12-2021 10:19 AM

Oh well, bit of a shaky start. Still, things can only get better ........ can't they???

Jordan's Jacket 08-12-2021 10:26 AM

With our attack to bat first was very peculiar
....still the Aussie batting line up is pretty weak too so let's see what happens.....gotta say the Burns dismissal was pretty embarrassing

Wolfnipplechips 08-12-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16139258)
With our attack to bat first was very peculiar
....still the Aussie batting line up is pretty weak too so let's see what happens.....gotta say the Burns dismissal was pretty embarrassing

The Burns wicket was a real horror.

Clip it off the legs for four and we’re playing a different game.

Olympian2 08-12-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16139206)
This.

Unbelievable to leave both Broad & Jimmy out. How can you tactically defend that team.

Perhaps us announcing the team so early was a tactical manoeuvre after all.

You certainly copied it, when you were better off playing to your strengths, rather than imitating our 11.

Part of the problem, Jim, is that we don't know what our strengths are - especially bowling-wise. A week or so ago, I suggested that the Aus attack would be Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood & Lyon. Anyone could have guessed those four. Green is a semi-decent all-rounder addition.

I'd be surprised if anyone on here would have picked Wood, Woakes, Robinson, Leach & Stokes in advance of this 1st Test.

Of course, that doesn't excuse another poor batting display. The only surprise is that people were surprised.

But credit to Cummins - he led by example & seems a decent fella. Good luck to him, especially as he's had to overcome a five year Test absence due to his own serious injuries from a few years ago.

desperado 08-12-2021 10:45 AM

Rory Burns has proven time and again he doesn't have the technique to be a Test match batsman (or batter as we are supposed to call them now) and is horrible to watch twitching and waving his bat about

I was hoping to see little of him in this series so getting out first ball at least he's off to a good start

There are few options for England selectors given the obsession with Mickey Mouse cricket

crystaljim 08-12-2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16139259)
The Burns wicket was a real horror.

Clip it off the legs for four and we’re playing a different game.

It swung in late and he still couldn't reach it! :D

Harmison aside, most opening balls of a Test Match/Series are fairly innocuous looseners outside off.

Starc did let rip, which surprised Burns no end, and lead to a procession of dominoes!

Now its our turn.

LuieJack 08-12-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139207)
That’s a little harsh on Stokes…..

Sadly i think Stokes best days are now behind him. Yes he is still capable of producing the odd outstanding performance, but consistent performance's is probably now history.
There is a massive rebuilding process ahead for England, but the big question will be is the talent there in numbers for the overhaul? i am not sure.

west country boy 08-12-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16139244)
To illustrate this to the Aus contingent, this is more ignorant than it would be to call Steve Smith "the Irishman", with a side order of "all brown people look the same".

Is it OK to call Smith a “rubber-faced blubbing goon”?

PauLo 08-12-2021 11:32 AM

Ashes 2021
 
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Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 16138802)
Credit to the Pakistani lad though, done a sterling job for the soap dodgers while all around him failed.

Mods gonna do anything about this blatant racism?

0.bj 08-12-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16139206)
This.

Unbelievable to leave both Broad & Jimmy out. How can you tactically defend that team.

Perhaps us announcing the team so early was a tactical manoeuvre after all.

You certainly copied it, when you were better off playing to your strengths, rather than imitating our 11.

Let’s not forget Joe’s other piece of captaincy genius that is negatively impacting this tour: bowling Jofra Archer into an early grave.

Fully expecting Mark Wood to break down and leave us with two front-line seamers for four days of toil and a record-breaking defeat.

Timbo 08-12-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by desperado (Post 16139280)
Rory Burns has proven time and again he doesn't have the technique to be a Test match batsman (or batter as we are supposed to call them now) and is horrible to watch twitching and waving his bat about

I was hoping to see little of him in this series so getting out first ball at least he's off to a good start

There are few options for England selectors given the obsession with Mickey Mouse cricket

I think they persist with Burns because he is perceived as a potential future England captain

Olympian2 08-12-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 16139376)
I think they persist with Burns because he is perceived as a potential future England captain

And because he's got a Test average of 32 (3 x100, 11 x 50) although it's slightly higher against Australia. And, arguably, because there aren't any better candidates as opener.

cockneyrebel 08-12-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PauLo (Post 16139323)
Mods gonna do anything about this blatant racism?

I reported it but no edit so far.

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 16139376)
I think they persist with Burns because he is perceived as a potential future England captain

Fvck me. :eek:

Ben H 08-12-2021 01:32 PM

Michael Vaughan in the Telegraph today slagging off the bowling unit before they've even bowled a ball.

desperado 08-12-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 16139376)
I think they persist with Burns because he is perceived as a potential future England captain

If they make him captain in the future he should field at mid-on or mid-off to communicate regularly with the bowler. This would get him out of the slip/gully cordon where he regularly drops routine catches

He would follow Mike Brearley in captaining England and never looking like a Test match batsman

Timbo 08-12-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139383)
And because he's got a Test average of 32 (3 x100, 11 x 50) although it's slightly higher against Australia. And, arguably, because there aren't any better candidates as opener.

Worrying if there are no alternative opening batsmen, but in terms of Rory he does get out early, often. Whilst 32 is hardly a good test average anyway, as an opener he is supposed to be able to hang around for a while, take the shine off the ball and reduce the pressure on the middle order.

Olympian2 08-12-2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 16139507)
Worrying if there are no alternative opening batsmen, but in terms of Rory he does get out early, often. Whilst 32 is hardly a good test average anyway, as an opener he is supposed to be able to hang around for a while, take the shine off the ball and reduce the pressure on the middle order.

It's all very good slating Burns but who would you have open instead?

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139518)
It's all very good slating Burns but who would you have open instead?

Me mam

Olympian2 08-12-2021 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139579)
Me mam

:D

Tomo 08-12-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 16139157)
Have they been told they are not playing 20/20 anymore?

Thing is, a lot of it wasn't to do with playing rash 20/20 shots.
There was some loose techniques, good balls, and a team who've been utterly unprepared due to Covid and the weather.

But the decision to bat will haunt Root for some time. We were never going to out bat Australia. We were only putting ourselves under pressure by batting first.

Jordan's Jacket 08-12-2021 03:51 PM

I'd get Crawley in tbh. He may play the occasional rash shot but at least he is aggressive in the way he plays

art malice 08-12-2021 04:09 PM

Surprised one of England’s enormous army of workload management officers or coin toss data specialists weren’t wheeled out to face the media. Probably banned by their individual line managers.

Tomo 08-12-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16139303)
It swung in late and he still couldn't reach it! :D

Harmison aside, most opening balls of a Test Match/Series are fairly innocuous looseners outside off.

Starc did let rip, which surprised Burns no end, and lead to a procession of dominoes!

Now its our turn.

Yep.

It's one of those unfortunately which you don't want first ball up. And then the late swing did the damage.

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16139259)
The Burns wicket was a real horror.

Clip it off the legs for four and we’re playing a different game.

I used to umpire Burns and Roy when they were kids and were brilliant players and Burns was really good playing off his leg etc and I can only say it was almost an unplayable ball, and would back him to come back stronger in the next innings (I know misplaced loyalty here from me )

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139719)
I used to umpire Burns and Roy when they were kids and were brilliant players and Burns was really good playing off his leg etc and I can only say it was almost an unplayable ball, and would back him to come back stronger in the next innings (I know misplaced loyalty here from me )

I assume this is a joke Raz?

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16139206)
This.

Unbelievable to leave both Broad & Jimmy out. How can you tactically defend that team.

Perhaps us announcing the team so early was a tactical manoeuvre after all.

You certainly copied it, when you were better off playing to your strengths, rather than imitating our 11.

Australians are master of mind games and sadly Joe fell victim and lost the plot.
It is not just Joe the back room staff too I must add

west country boy 08-12-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139728)
Australians are master of mind games and sadly Joe fell victim and lost the plot.
It is not just Joe the back room staff too I must add

As art implied, I don't think the 200,000+ strong backroom staff are helping much.

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139727)
I assume this is a joke Raz?




Like I said, misplaced loyalty from me mate

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16139742)
As art implied, I don't think the 200,000+ strong backroom staff are helping much.




Nope, they are busy checking thier tweet histroy to see if they made any racist comments rather than helping England concentrate on the job in hand :)

Olympian2 08-12-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16139742)
As art implied, I don't think the 200,000+ strong backroom staff are helping much.

The problem is, there's not enough of them...

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139744)
Like I said, misplaced loyalty from me mate

It would seem so.

He's hopelessly out of his depth. And it was a dolly ball off the legs first up - he couldn't have wished for an easier first ball.

Average county player. No more no less. Of course its not his fault he's being picked given so little options.

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16139303)
It swung in late and he still couldn't reach it! :D

Harmison aside, most opening balls of a Test Match/Series are fairly innocuous looseners outside off.

Starc did let rip, which surprised Burns no end, and lead to a procession of dominoes!

Now its our turn.

Circa 94/95, I remember Boon opening for Aus Vs WI and Walsh bowling and I don’t think Boon managed to touch a single ball during that over.

I know it does not add anything to the discussion but I thought I throw it in the midst :)

Olympian2 08-12-2021 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139767)
It would seem so.

He's hopelessly out of his depth. And it was a dolly ball off the legs first up - he couldn't have wished for an easier first ball.

Average county player. No more no less. Of course its not his fault he's being picked given so little options.

That's nonsense, Worky.

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139781)
That's nonsense, Worky.

I don't think so mate. If you're not anywhere near international standard, and he isn't, how can you be anything other than an average player when you have almost literally zero competition for your place.?

If there was any decent English openers about, he'd be nowhere near the team

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139767)
It would seem so.

He's hopelessly out of his depth. And it was a dolly ball off the legs first up - he couldn't have wished for an easier first ball.

Average county player. No more no less. Of course its not his fault he's being picked given so little options.

:)


There was another Rory (can picture him but can’t remember his surname) in that bunch of boys who actually was very good, a posh lad but he failed when he stepped up the plate.

You can’t be doing schoolboy errors in Tests I suppose but there we are roll on 11 o clock and if Aussies start bashing the ball round I will just retire for the night lol

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139785)
I don't think so mate. If you're not anywhere near international standard, and he isn't, how can you be anything other than an average player when you have almost literally zero competition for your place.?

If there was any decent English openers about, he'd be nowhere near the team

What about that opener who is a good lad in the dressing room? Surely he can be picked :)

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139788)
:)


There was another Rory (can picture him but can’t remember his surname) in that bunch of boys who actually was very good, a posh lad but he failed when he stepped up the plate.

You can’t be doing schoolboy errors in Tests I suppose but there we are roll on 11 o clock and if Aussies start bashing the ball round I will just retire for the night lol

I actually think we'll weedle them out for sub 300. Won't do is much good in the long run in this test I don't think but....

Assume they've not brought play forward because of yesterday's missed overs?

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139792)
What about that opener who is a good lad in the dressing room? Surely he can be picked :)

He's about as much of a test opener as me mam as well.....

Maiden Eagle 08-12-2021 06:19 PM

Rory Burns has scored just over 1700 runs at an average of 32, including 3 hundreds and
11 fifties.

Yes, a very modest record but not hopelessly out of his depth.

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139795)
I actually think we'll weedle them out for sub 300. Won't do is much good in the long run in this test I don't think but....

Assume they've not brought play forward because of yesterday's missed overs?

I fear Australians will notch up 500ish and we get spanked again under 100 or something I do hope I am wrong as it is now hard to play for a draw unless it rains all night and day

Olympian2 08-12-2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139788)
:)


There was another Rory (can picture him but can’t remember his surname) in that bunch of boys who actually was very good, a posh lad but he failed when he stepped up the plate.

You can’t be doing schoolboy errors in Tests I suppose but there we are roll on 11 o clock and if Aussies start bashing the ball round I will just retire for the night lol

Hamilton-Brown?

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16139798)
Rory Burns has scored just over 1700 runs at an average of 32, including 3 hundreds and
11 fifties.

Yes, a very modest record but not hopelessly out of his depth.

Be interesting to see where he got the runs

His technique doesn't stand up to quality bowling, as seen at 12.01 am. Nor does his mentality

Simply not good enough at this level I'm afarid

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139799)
I fear Australians will notch up 500ish and we get spanked again under 100 or something I do hope I am wrong as it is now hard to play for a draw unless it rains all night and day

You may be right

The decision to leave out both Broad and Anderson looked a bad one at 11.30 last night. Looks a f'kin horrendous one now.

Olympian2 08-12-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139785)
I don't think so mate. If you're not anywhere near international standard, and he isn't, how can you be anything other than an average player when you have almost literally zero competition for your place.?

If there was any decent English openers about, he'd be nowhere near the team

Burns is a very, very good County player - his County record supports that.

He struggles with the step up to Test cricket but all that's showing is that there is a noticeable difference between the two levels. That's understandable. It's like being a striker who bangs 'em in in the Championship but can't do it in the Premier League. That's his level. The level of competition for the place is irrelevant to his ability.

I also disagree that he's 'not anywhere near international standard' - he's hasn't fluked 3x100s (against Australia & NZ) & 11x50s in 54 innings.

I posted on here a few years ago when Burns & Sibley were the next-two-cabs-off-the-opener-rank that I thought Burns would be a stop gap. I haven't changed my mind about Burns' ability but, for me, he's still the 2nd best opener in the country, behind Hameed. It's not his fault that there's no-one better.

Olympian2 08-12-2021 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16139819)
Be interesting to see where he got the runs

His technique doesn't stand up to quality bowling, as seen at 12.01 am. Nor does his mentality

Simply not good enough at this level I'm afarid


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Tomo 08-12-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16139798)
Rory Burns has scored just over 1700 runs at an average of 32, including 3 hundreds and
11 fifties.

Yes, a very modest record but not hopelessly out of his depth.

Exactly. I don't think the ball he got was as bad as some are making out either. It certainly seemed to come in a bit as well.

And there aren't many great Opening Batsmen doing the rounds at the moment.

He averages about the same or better as both Windies openers, Gill, Will Young, better than Harris and Butt.

Wolfnipplechips 08-12-2021 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16139849)
Exactly. I don't think the ball he got was as bad as some are making out either. It certainly seemed to come in a bit as well.

And there aren't many great Opening Batsmen doing the rounds at the moment.

He averages about the same or better as both Windies openers, Gill, Will Young, better than Harris and Butt.

He’s not as bad as Workshop is maintaining.

He’s not as good as he should be as an England opener but nobody has been for five years.

That ball shouldn’t get a competent opening batsman out but as Mark Butcher said on Twitter it wasn’t his technique that let him down but pure nerves.

I’d have clipped it off my legs for four mate… and you’d have tried to sweep it.

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139811)
Hamilton-Brown?

Yes that is him. Posh lad good Al rounder but was with fairies at time, I think him and Roy were into Rugby to, Roy’s old man was a rugby bod if I remember

Olympian2 08-12-2021 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16139911)
Yes that is him. Posh lad good Al rounder but was with fairies at time, I think him and Roy were into Rugby to, Roy’s old man was a rugby bod if I remember

RH-B was the captain during the dark days of Tom Maynard’s death. I think he might have been Maynard’s housemate. Lots of booze & drugs. Dernbach got caught up in that for a while, wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t others. Very poor club culture at that time at Surrey.

west country boy 08-12-2021 07:55 PM

Bring back Dernbach!

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16139948)
RH-B was the captain during the dark days of Tom Maynard’s death. I think he might have been Maynard’s housemate. Lots of booze & drugs. Dernbach got caught up in that for a while, wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t others. Very poor club culture at that time at Surrey.

Oh yes I forgot that. Very true

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16139958)
Bring back Dernbach!

And Boycott :)

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16139849)
Exactly. I don't think the ball he got was as bad as some are making out either. It certainly seemed to come in a bit as well.

And there aren't many great Opening Batsmen doing the rounds at the moment.

He averages about the same or better as both Windies openers, Gill, Will Young, better than Harris and Butt.

Left handed opening batsman should not be missing what looked like a ball pitched in middle and leg, at least get bat on ball, I think it was just nerves. Mind you when I first saw it, I thought it was unplayable but having seen it now more than once it does look ordinary delivery bit like a loosener and got lucky

ebyeeckeagle 08-12-2021 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16139849)
And there aren't many great Opening Batsmen doing the rounds at the moment.

He averages about the same or better as both Windies openers, Gill, Will Young, better than Harris and Butt.

Not sure comparing him to the WI openers is quite the defence you may have been hoping for. ;)

desperado 08-12-2021 08:34 PM

England's main problem with developing Test match batsmen is the low importance given to the County Championship by the ECB. Games are played in April and in September, the best months for playing cricket in England are reserved for the Mickey Mouse versions of the game

The other problem is the number of pie throwers playing in the CC that do not test a batsman's technique. Two batsmen who accumulate a high number of runs in the CC each season are Dom Sibley and Keaton Jennings, both of them serial failures at Test Match level

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 08:35 PM

Anyway, he’s shit. And I’ll be proved right on a good few more occasions over the next few weeks. If I’m not, I’ll happily apologise to him (via the BBS).

Olympian2 08-12-2021 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by desperado (Post 16140002)
England's main problem with developing Test match batsmen is the low importance given to the County Championship by the ECB. Games are played in April and in September

Yeah, but wasn't The Hundred great? Graphics, kids, Mums, shirts with Hula Hoops on them, all those giveaway tickets...:p

cappuccinoeagle 08-12-2021 09:13 PM

Apparently the ‘highlights’ are on the I Player

0.bj 08-12-2021 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16139869)
He’s not as bad as Workshop is maintaining.

He’s not as good as he should be as an England opener but nobody has been for five years.

That ball shouldn’t get a competent opening batsman out but as Mark Butcher said on Twitter it wasn’t his technique that let him down but pure nerves.

I’d have clipped it off my legs for four mate… and you’d have tried to sweep it.

Workshop would have Dilshan’d it over the sight screen for six. :D

Nth Kent Eagle 08-12-2021 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by desperado (Post 16140002)
England's main problem with developing Test match batsmen is the low importance given to the County Championship by the ECB. Games are played in April and in September, the best months for playing cricket in England are reserved for the Mickey Mouse versions of the game

The other problem is the number of pie throwers playing in the CC that do not test a batsman's technique. Two batsmen who accumulate a high number of runs in the CC each season are Dom Sibley and Keaton Jennings, both of them serial failures at Test Match level

Do you think that the high number of county teams compared to say Australian states leads to a lot of journeyman and lack of classy opposition?

Wolfnipplechips 08-12-2021 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16140087)
Workshop would have Dilshan’d it over the sight screen for six. :D

And been the captain.

desperado 08-12-2021 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 16140102)
Do you think that the high number of county teams compared to say Australian states leads to a lot of journeyman and lack of classy opposition?

Definitely

Top International players now usually only play in the Mickey Mouse stuff as they make a lot more money and are not often seen in the CC for an entire season

England's best players have central contracts and rarely play CC games unless they are returning from injury

Last season Surrey's CC team didn't have Roy, Burns, Pope, Foakes, the Curran brothers etc available on a regular basis. The best player was Hashim Amla, now retired from Test cricket, he could bat all day against the pie throwers and rarely looked in trouble

ECB don't care seem to care about the demise of the Test team and their focus is raking in money from broadcasters on the short format stuff

Wolfnipplechips 08-12-2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by desperado (Post 16140123)
Definitely

Top International players now usually only play in the Mickey Mouse stuff as they make a lot more money and are not often seen in the CC for an entire season

England's best players have central contracts and rarely play CC games unless they are returning from injury

Last season Surrey's CC team didn't have Roy, Burns, Pope, Foakes, the Curran brothers etc available on a regular basis. The best player was Hashim Amla, now retired from Test cricket, he could bat all day against the pie throwers and rarely looked in trouble

ECB don't care seem to care about the demise of the Test team and their focus is raking in money from broadcasters on the short format stuff

^^^

west country boy 08-12-2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16140128)
^^^

Yes, but I'm not sure that really answers NKE's question. When I was a young pup there were almost as many first class counties (I think only Durham were added), no two tier system, and two or three one-day trophies. Along with this, you had some of the world's best cricketers playing for counties as well as the Lancashire leagues whatever they were.

I may well have misunderstood everything but would like to blame all that is wrong with the game on the ACB, BCCI and ECB.

Olympian2 08-12-2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by desperado (Post 16140123)
ECB don't care seem to care about the demise of the Test team and their focus is raking in money from broadcasters on the short format stuff

Quite, despite what Silverwood said back in February

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/i...6?platform=amp

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16140138)
Yes, but I'm not sure that really answers NKE's question. When I was a young pup there were almost as many first class counties (I think only Durham were added), no two tier system, and two or three one-day trophies. Along with this, you had some of the world's best cricketers playing for counties as well as the Lancashire leagues whatever they were.

I may well have misunderstood everything but would like to blame all that is wrong with the game on the ACB, BCCI and ECB.

It doesn’t. I think your point about back in the days counties had worlds best cricketers drives home succinctly.

Nowadays the worlds best cricketers play T20 and the one who come to play the counties are not really worlds best. This might have been a factor in reducing the standards of our county games and introducing 100 etc did not help.

I can’t see a short term solution unless they open up a commonwealth county championship, which could then completely ruin the domestic games (or could improve) but something needs to be done in grass-root Cricket to save test match cricket

Olympian2 08-12-2021 10:47 PM

It is worth saying, however, that NZ & India have possibly their strongest Test sides ever at the moment. Australia not far behind. Then Pakistan, South Africa & England all seem to be slipping, with WI & Sri Lanka the sick-men of the Test scene. Some of it is cyclical but some of it definitely feels difficult to reverse.

art malice 08-12-2021 11:17 PM

Glorious sunny morning in Brisbane

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16140199)
Glorious sunny morning in Brisbane

Surprise.

Did they not look at the forecast ffs? What a dumb call.

Oh well fingers crossed..

art malice 08-12-2021 11:25 PM

Australia will also get an extra half hour in it early

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 11:44 PM

Quarter past 11 start I think today

RazorsEdge 08-12-2021 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16140201)
Surprise.

Did they not look at the forecast ffs? What a dumb call.

Oh well fingers crossed..

To be fair to Joe, the Aussie captain has now said he would have batted first too, but is glad he didn’t win the toss

Worksop Palace 08-12-2021 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16140221)
To be fair to Joe, the Aussie captain has now said he would have batted first too.

He said that at the toss interview. They don’t have a flakey as feck top order so I’m sure he would have batted, especially with no Broad.

Easy in hindsight though agreed and it was always a ‘good toss to lose’. If Burns hadn’t shat himself at the sight of the Aussie bowler running in, we might have at least amassed a massive 230 or so.

Worksop Palace 09-12-2021 12:25 AM

Here we go then.

Wickets needed in first 10 overs or it’s na nights

Wolfnipplechips 09-12-2021 12:36 AM

**** off Warnie you boring twat.

Worksop Palace 09-12-2021 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16140245)
**** off Warnie you boring twat.

You spelt Workshop wrong….

:)

cockneyrebel 09-12-2021 12:40 AM

What we saying? I reckon over 500 for the Aussies then declaring.

Apparently England last won in an Ashes test after being bowled out in first innings for less than 150 in the 1890s. WG Grace was the man.

Worksop Palace 09-12-2021 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cockneyrebel (Post 16140248)
What we saying? I reckon over 500 for the Aussies then declaring.

Apparently England last won in an Ashes test after being bowled out in first innings for less than 150 in the 1890s. WG Grace was the man.

I think we’ll have them done for 300-350, weather dependent

But we need early wickets

Bones14 09-12-2021 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16140245)
**** off Warnie you boring twat.

Good to see you're still your miserable self Wolfie.:D

Another Australian upsetting you?
Maybe have a glass of half full instead of a glass of half empty. It might cheer you up.

Worksop Palace 09-12-2021 12:49 AM

Great start by OR.

Not so Woakes. Sluggish

Worksop Palace 09-12-2021 12:51 AM

Is the commentator calling Warne ‘King’?

Wolfnipplechips 09-12-2021 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16140252)
Good to see you're still your miserable self Wolfie.:D

Another Australian upsetting you?
Maybe have a glass of half full instead of a glass of half empty. It might cheer you up.

Do the other commentators really call him “King” with a straight face?

Bones14 09-12-2021 12:52 AM

King of spin

Wolfnipplechips 09-12-2021 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16140252)
Good to see you're still your miserable self Wolfie.:D

Another Australian upsetting you?
Maybe have a glass of half full instead of a glass of half empty. It might cheer you up.

They’re embarrassingly sycophantic.

cockneyrebel 09-12-2021 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16140252)
Good to see you're still your miserable self Wolfie.:D

Another Australian upsetting you?
Maybe have a glass of half full instead of a glass of half empty. It might cheer you up.

To be fair Warne is a bit of a wrongun. Around 50 and going with a teenager.


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