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Kai 17-03-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 16322659)
Thx Do players all have fixed salaries? Like qb gets 1 million a year but a back up special teams outfielder only gets 100k

No, not at all. Some players are paid $20 million a year whereas other might be paid $900K. Players on the practice squad are paid peanuts in comparison to that but get more if elevated to the NFL squad.
A backup QB can actually get several millions a year not throwing a single ball in a game!

The salary cap of the NFL is far more complicated than them NHL, where players contracts are protected, and contracts can be restructured or cut to fit the cap.

Isle of Wight 17-03-2022 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hughff (Post 16325641)
My understanding, and I'm happy to be corrected, is that there is a minimum salary. However, that is for a player on the first team roster. Many players are on the practice squad, where they earn a lot less because they cannot be used in games. In the event of injury, a player can be moved from the practice roster to the playing roster and his income leaps up to the league minimum. I'm not sure if a player on the practice roster can be signed by another team but I suspect that they can, to preserve an open labour market.

In addition, the collective agreement pretty much means that new players receive a set contract coming into the league based on their draft position - there's very little room for a drafted rookie to negotiate. Rookie contracts last four years but the drafting team can exercise an option to extend it to five years. What this means is that players effectively can't negotiate their own contract until they have a lot of experience.

Generally, players in different positions receive wildly different contracts. Running backs, who are notoriously susceptible to injury (on average a running back has a three year career in the NFL, so less than a maximum rookie contract), get the least money while quarterbacks get the most. IIRC, Patrick Mahomes is on $45 million+ a year. Not all contracts are guaranteed either and players on the league minimum can often be cut midway through a season thus ending their contract.

Every team has a minimum and maximum cap that they must spend on players (it doesn't apply to coaches etc.) which is meant to keep the league competitive. Frankly, there are so many ways to work around it that it's more a guideline than a cap. There's no question the cap prevents teams from doing a Man City/Chelsea and hoovering up all the talent making them unbeatable over the course of the season. (I've often said that the only reason the PL plays games is for tv... and they could just ask teams to submit their wage bills for awarding final places!)

The real effect of the cap, however, is to prevent teams from paying the people who generate the money (the players) what they are worth. While the stars get big bucks, the relatively replaceable guys on league minimum get a relative pittance, even though the stars can't be stars without them. It makes it very easy for rich owners to get richer if they are pulling in about $750million p.a. and only need to spend a third of that on their staff.

Now aren't you sorry you asked?

No that was great Hugh thanks would have given more rep if I could :)

Funk Butter 18-03-2022 11:58 PM

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The Cleveland Browns acquired quarterback Deshaun Watson in a trade with the Houston Texans for three first-round picks in 2022, 2023 and 2024 as well as a 2023 third-round pick and a 2024 fourth-round pick.

The Texans are sending a 2024 fifth-round pick to the Browns in the trade as well.
It appears he was minutes away from ok'ing a trade to Atlanta before this happened.

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The Browns are set to give Watson a new five-year, $230 million contract, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter. He would receive $184 million over the first four years of his new contract -- a $48 million raise over what he was scheduled to make under his current contract. The full $230 million is guaranteed, sources said, setting a record for highest guarantee given to an NFL player.
He's gonna need a lot of money to pay for his "currently" 22 civil suits.

hughff 21-03-2022 07:12 PM

The merry go round goes round - Matt Ryan to the Colts. Atlanta gets the 82nd pick. Sounds like a salary dump to me.

aj4england 21-03-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hughff (Post 16333396)
The merry go round goes round - Matt Ryan to the Colts. Atlanta gets the 82nd pick. Sounds like a salary dump to me.

The cap hit was still bad. They did it more for Ryan on the top 3 worst rosters with him, they let him walk.

aj4england 25-03-2022 11:00 AM

One of the craziest off seasons ever. Lucky for the CARDS we are in a significantly weaker NFC compared to the AFC

aj4england 25-03-2022 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kai (Post 16325648)
No, not at all. Some players are paid $20 million a year whereas other might be paid $900K. Players on the practice squad are paid peanuts in comparison to that but get more if elevated to the NFL squad.
A backup QB can actually get several millions a year not throwing a single ball in a game!

The salary cap of the NFL is far more complicated than them NHL, where players contracts are protected, and contracts can be restructured or cut to fit the cap.

The life of an NFL Back Up quarterback is aking to 3rd choice keeper. Be good enough to be on a prem side but never good enough to be number 1.

A good back up can earn 4-10m a year whilst a veteran back up will comfortably pick up 1-2m per year. You would have had to be semi-good enough at some stage or be seen as an exceptional leader/thinker to help yougnsters but great gig if you can get it. If you get the chance to play in 1 or 2 games and play well, you can set yourself up for the next 2 or 3 years quite easily.

Funk Butter 25-03-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aj4england (Post 16333446)
The cap hit was still bad. They did it more for Ryan on the top 3 worst rosters with him, they let him walk.

The new GM came from the Saints, so is very familiar with kicking the salary cap can down the road. They decided to suck it this year, $60m in dead money, and go for one of the QBs in the next draft. Plus, they'll have $120m+ of salary cap room to play with next year.

EagleSE24 09-04-2022 08:23 PM

Steelers’ QB Dwayne Haskins was killed today in a traffic accident. Age 24. https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/i...-being-hit-car

Tripod 10 28-04-2022 08:51 PM

Something to fill the NFL gap until September, the Draft starts today.
Just waiting for the Jones clowns at Dallas to mess up and potentially trade some of next years picks for a WR after trading Cooper for peanuts.

hughff 28-04-2022 10:44 PM

Lots of edge rushers and OT to go early; then wide receivers in the first round; considered a down year for QB but so was 2017 (Mahones, Deshaun).

hughff 29-04-2022 01:44 AM

Underway now.
So far...
1: Jags - Walker (DE)
2: Lions - Hutchinson (DE)
3: Texans - Stingley (CB)
4: Jets - Gardner (CB)
5: Giants - Thibodeaux (DE)

hughff 29-04-2022 04:50 AM

Full First round.
  1. Jacksonville Jaguars: Travon Walker, DE, Georgia
  2. Detroit Lions: Aidan Hutchinson, Edge, Michigan
  3. Houston Texans: Derek Stingley Jr., CB, LSU
  4. New York Jets: Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
  5. New York Giants: Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Oregon
  6. Carolina Panthers: Ikem Ekwonu, OL, North Carolina State
  7. New York Giants (from Bears): Evan Neal, OL, Alabama
  8. Atlanta Falcons: Drake London, WR, USC
  9. Seattle Seahawks (from Broncos): Charles Cross, OL, Mississippi State
  10. New York Jets (from Seahawks): Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
  11. New Orleans Saints (from Commanders): Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State
  12. Detroit Lions (from Vikings): Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama
  13. Philadelphia Eagles (from Texans): Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia
  14. Baltimore Ravens: Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
  15. Houston Texans: Kenyon Green, OL, Texas A&M
  16. Washington Commanders: Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State
  17. Los Angeles Chargers: Zion Johnson, OL, Boston College
  18. Tennessee Titans (from Eagles): Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas
  19. New Orleans Saints (from Eagles): Trevor Penning, OL, Northern Iowa
  20. Pittsburgh Steelers: Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh
  21. Kansas City Chiefs (from Patriots): Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington
  22. Green Bay Packers (from Raiders): Quay Walker, LB, Georgia
  23. Buffalo Bills: Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida
  24. Dallas Cowboys: Tyler Smith, OL, Tulsa
  25. Baltimore Ravens: Tyler Linderbaum, OL, Iowa
  26. New York Jets: Jermaine Johnson, Edge, Florida State
  27. Jacksonville Jaguars (from Buccaneers): Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah
  28. Green Bay Packers: Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
  29. New England Patriots (from Chiefs): Cole Strange, OL, Chattanooga
  30. Kansas City Chiefs: George Karlaftis, Edge, Purdue
  31. Cincinnati Bengals: Daxton Hill, CB, Michigan
  32. Minnesota Vikings (from Lions): Lewis Cine, S, Georgia
To my mind, both NY teams got value: Thibodeaux and Johnson could have gone higher. Gardner, Neal and Wilson are good too.

Latvian Eagle 29-04-2022 07:31 AM

So weird seeing a draft where QBs weren't the flavour of the day.

Funk Butter 29-04-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hughff (Post 16397347)
To my mind, both NY teams got value: Thibodeaux and Johnson could have gone higher. Gardner, Neal and Wilson are good too.

There was a lot of talk that Johnson was going to the Falcons at #8, so to get him at #26 is crazy.

And I wonder if the Lions snuck in an extra pick on the Vikings on that trade they did. According to the Jimmy Johnson chart #12 for for #32, #34 and #66 is similar value but the Vikings tossed in #46 as well as #12.

hughff 29-04-2022 11:18 PM

This is a fun read: The Worst NFL Mock Draft Of 2022: My Attempt To Get Every Pick Wrong Basically, the rules are that he has to make an honest attempt at each pick while still getting it wrong (the article gives more detailed rules.) I'll let you read his picks and reasoning but here's his league table
Played 32
Won (out by one pick e.g. picked 5th but taken 4th - worth 3 points) 7
Drew (out by two picks - worth 1 point) 1
Administration (correct pick - worth minus 10 points) 1
Total 12

hughff 01-05-2022 01:21 AM

Draft has finished. 49ers make Iowa St. QB Brock Purdy Mr. Irrelevant, drafted 262 and last.

Funk Butter 08-06-2022 05:46 AM

It seems that the Texans want to take back their title as most messed up NFL franchise, although this occurred a year ago so maybe they still have to screw more up.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...od-report-says

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The New York Times reported Tuesday that Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson booked massage appointments with at least 66 different women over 17 months, from fall 2019 through spring 2021.

The New York Times also reported that the nondisclosure agreement that Watson gave to some of the women to sign came from the Texans' director of security, Brent Naccara. The Times reports that the NDA was in Watson's locker at NRG Stadium days after a woman posted Watson's phone number on Instagram.

Funk Butter 08-06-2022 05:49 AM

While we're at it:

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The Denver Broncos have entered a sale agreement with the Walton-Penner family ownership group, the sides announced Tuesday night.

Terms of the agreement, which will transfer the franchise from the Pat Bowlen Trust to the group led by Walmart heir Rob Walton, were not announced. However, a source told ESPN, confirming multiple reports, that the agreed-to price is $4.65 billion, a record for a North American team.


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