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ebyeeckeagle 17-01-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16217837)
You're all completely right, guys. But, jeez - gimme a break - I was just trying to find a single positive in this whole sorry affair :p

:supergrin:I was being positive

west country boy 17-01-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16216916)
The re-structuring of County Cricket always flounders on the same course of action. Someone's actually got to go into the dogs' home and administer a lethal injection to cute puppies like Northants, Gloucs & Sussex - because they can't be found a home. No-one's ever done it and no-one ever will.

Nah - bin off Yorkshire because of racism and Lancashire for the sake of fairness. Then Surrey because of their coked-up Chelsea fans and Kent to piss off the rest of the English BBS cricket aficionados.

RazorsEdge 17-01-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16217876)
Nah - bin off Yorkshire because of racism and Lancashire for the sake of fairness. Then Surrey because of their coked-up Chelsea fans and Kent to piss off the rest of the English BBS cricket aficionados.

What about the toffs from Middlesex?

Does your parish now fall under middle sex or Surrey?

west country boy 17-01-2022 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16217978)
What about the toffs from Middlesex?

Does your parish now fall under middle sex or Surrey?

I forgot about them - they can cock off as well (despite the fact that where I live used to be part of Middlesex, with Surrey just over the river), although I wouldn't count the likes of Emburey or Gatting as toffs.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16217825)
I asked the thread title to be changed to reflect the score, and the mods kindly done it

I think we have to own this :(

Shoulda done it in 2010.

RazorsEdge 18-01-2022 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16218024)
I forgot about them - they can cock off as well (despite the fact that where I live used to be part of Middlesex, with Surrey just over the river), although I wouldn't count the likes of Emburey or Gatting as toffs.

Getting is definitely not a Toff, but yes.

RazorsEdge 18-01-2022 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16218122)
Shoulda done it in 2010.

:)

Olympian2 18-01-2022 08:25 AM

Anyone got access to the full article?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...x=1642416593-1

gold76 18-01-2022 11:26 AM

Any of these names excite?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59996439

stinky 18-01-2022 12:08 PM

England investigate after police break up post-Ashes party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60035895

PemboExpress 18-01-2022 12:18 PM

Cannot see the merit of Agnew's argument to replace the County Championship with The Hundred franchises plus 2 more.

Better to get back to a two league County Championship, but one that is actually player in the summer as opposed to one that is largely played in April/May and September.

spike 18-01-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16219181)
Anyone got access to the full article?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...x=1642416593-1

Telegraph rather helpfully leaves the article content in the html, so if you view source and scroll 2/3 of the way down (or search for "England saved") you can attempt to read the text (or copy it out, remove most of the surroundings and save as an html file and read that way).

Jordan's Jacket 18-01-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gold76 (Post 16219344)

only Matt Parkinson for me

spike 18-01-2022 12:20 PM

England saved their worst for last as they signed off a calamitous Ashes series in Hobart with their most shambolic collapse of a tour littered with contenders.
...
"One team meeting was never going to change anything," said one player present.

PemboExpress 18-01-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gold76 (Post 16219344)

Clarke and Bohannon could be interesting.

Surprised they omitted Sam Cook of Essex in terms of the bowlers.

spike 18-01-2022 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gold76 (Post 16219344)

Pretty damning of the state of English cricket that only 1 batter among those has an average above 40 and 1 bowler an average below 30.

west country boy 18-01-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 16219399)
Clarke and Bohannon could be interesting.

Surprised they omitted Sam Cook of Essex in terms of the bowlers.

Bohannon could indeed be exciting:

http://images.genius.com/d02ae5d00b2....600x605x1.jpg

Jordan's Jacket 18-01-2022 12:35 PM

The young lad at Wariskshire, Yates looks promising

spike 18-01-2022 12:38 PM

From the telegraph article:
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One player refused to take part in the skin-fold test - a gauge of body fat - and, when pressed, accused England of trying to fat shame him. The test was never carried out.
Bairstow or Robinson?

Olympian2 18-01-2022 01:39 PM

In the same meeting, Jos Buttler told players they had to be patient at the crease, but he was out in the next Test hitting to deep-square leg on the stroke of tea. It summed up his tour.

:lux: :lux:

art malice 18-01-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stinky (Post 16219390)
England investigate after police break up post-Ashes party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60035895

Graham Thorpe continuing his fine series.

Olympian2 18-01-2022 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16219530)
Graham Thorpe continuing his fine series.

LOL, I hadn't appreciated it was Thorpe's video. WTF?

RazorsEdge 18-01-2022 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16219418)
From the telegraph article:

Bairstow or Robinson?

What would have been Gatting’s reply if this was done in his days?

Lol

Jordan's Jacket 18-01-2022 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16219418)
From the telegraph article:

Bairstow or Robinson?

Or Silverwood, as he is bit of a porker

0.bj 18-01-2022 08:03 PM

Money is on Robinson. Apparently his conduct has been shocking (even for a private school twit).

0.bj 18-01-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gold76 (Post 16219344)

Bohannon, Crane and Parkinson.

Crane of course played Shield cricket for New South Wales and not Parkinson (as I earlier posited incorrectly).

stinky 18-01-2022 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16220167)
Money is on Robinson. Apparently his conduct has been shocking (even for a private school twit).

He does seem like a ******* tool

Olympian2 18-01-2022 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16220167)
Money is on Robinson. Apparently his conduct has been shocking (even for a private school twit).

Maybe. You would think that with Bairstow being a senior member of the party & Robinson being quite the newbie, it’s more likely to have been Bairstow to have refused…

Tomo 19-01-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16220167)
Money is on Robinson. Apparently his conduct has been shocking (even for a private school twit).

Yes.

I'm not sure where I stand on the coaching staff calling him out a bit for his fitness, but I get the impression that was probably a last chance for him to realise how serious it is.

RedStripe Eagle 19-01-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16219660)
What would have been Gatting’s reply if this was done in his days?

Lol

get me a prawn curry!!!:lux::lux:

Olympian2 19-01-2022 04:42 PM

Thing is, if it’s part of a fitness assessment, how comes he’s not obliged/contracted to do it?

Sounds like the management team is piss-weak.

Sydenham Eagle 19-01-2022 04:56 PM

Difficult to judge a player on county performance. A lot of 'great' England players performed better at international level like Botham and Gower. When Fletcher was in charge it was apparent that he was generally looking at players who he felt had the right attitude which led to Trescothick coming through when his record possibly didn't make him the obvious choice. We've moved away from that and certainly dispensed with players like Morgan too quickly at test level. He had some issues but probably would have overcome them and certainly was up for the challenge that test cricket brings.

Supersonic 19-01-2022 06:41 PM

I think first and foremost certain players need ditching, either permanently or at least for a good period. Burns, Hameed, Malan Buttler, Pope, Woakes (Away) are immediate names that spring to mind. I also think we need a change of captaincy. I'd like to see this side given a chance:

1. ???
2. Crawley
3. Livingstone
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow
7. Foakes
8. Rhodes
9. Robinson
10. Broad
11. Anderson

the seam bowlers from 9-11 we're pretty well stocked, could sub any of those out for Wood, and I think Mahmood at Lancs is a great talent that should come in at some point, and Sam Cook at Essex has to be knocking on the door as well, but thats hardly where the issues lie.

I'd like to see Livingstone get a shot at test cricket, he has a decent first class average and has adapted seamlessly to the white ball game at international level. Plus he bowls part-time spin at a slightly better level than Root, and the two of them would cover our spin department in my team. Parkinson or Virdi might be the spin answer long term, but think we just have to accept that we don't have a good spinner right now, and might as well go with a couple of adequate part-time options. Number 3 is not ideal for his game, but Root wants to play 4, and can't see Stokes or Bairstow playing 3 either.

Foakes imo is a no brainer selection, better keeper than Buttler, better batsman. If they go with billings or recall Buttler it would be a traversty in my opinion.

My big selection is Rhodes, and the intention would be for him to take over the captaincy after a few games. He has a good first class record, would be a useful 8 in test cricket and probably a somewhat part-time bowler, but more important he has experience of captaining a successful side. Root is a wonderful player but a rubbish captain, let's unburden him of the responsibility and let him go back to doing what he does best, scoring runs.

The ??? at number one, well I'm really not sure. Rob Yates has been touted, and he looked fantastic last season, and I've already said on this thread that I'm still a fan of Sibley, but it's a position we've failed to address for years upon years and I'm just not sure which way we should go with it. Even Crawley is debatable, but just think he showed enough towards the end of the Ashes to be given more of a go.

gold76 20-01-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydenham Eagle (Post 16222867)
Difficult to judge a player on county performance. A lot of 'great' England players performed better at international level like Botham and Gower. When Fletcher was in charge it was apparent that he was generally looking at players who he felt had the right attitude which led to Trescothick coming through when his record possibly didn't make him the obvious choice. We've moved away from that and certainly dispensed with players like Morgan too quickly at test level. He had some issues but probably would have overcome them and certainly was up for the challenge that test cricket brings.

Often thought that, a natural leader Morgan and someone you'd want in the trenches, not prolific, but useful knocks.

At 35 and with a dodgy back, you'd assume the test arena has passed him by, but I'm sure he'll fancy a last hurrah at the world cup.

Olympian2 28-01-2022 11:45 AM

Blimey, just heard Katherine Brunt say that the current Women's Ashes Test (Australia currently well on top) would be a 'completely different scenario' if more than one England batter had scored runs & if England had've held their catches.

No doubt they'll look to do better, moving forward.


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