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jazman 12-01-2009 06:19 PM

I predict the winners will win in Tampa ... ;)

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Steelers, Ravens, Eagles or Cardinals will win the Super Bowl.

As I predicted on my way to work this morning. :)

A team ending in the letter "s" will win.

nookiebear 12-01-2009 06:35 PM

Would Cassel do as well at, say, Washington, who have only really decent wide receiver in Santana Moss and one reasonable one in Randle El?

Is Cassel a better QB than Jason Campbell, for example? Cassel's only ever had to learn one system, Campbell is on his fourth system since he joined the NFL

Could Cassel go to Detroit and make a difference? I'm not so sure.

It is just as much about systems and pass protection and wide receivers as it is about the QB's talent.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nookiebear
Would Cassel do as well at, say, Washington, who have only really decent wide receiver in Santana Moss and one reasonable one in Randle El?

Could he go to Detroit and make a difference? I say no.

It is just as much about systems and pass protection and wide receivers as it is about the QB's talent.

Not Detroit, I agree, but there are other schemes he would work OK in.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:14 PM

A team beginning with a consonant or vowel will win the Superbowl.

I think he would work well at Minnesota. He has a decent WR corps, a good TE and the best RB in football. They have a great defense so the team wouldn't need him to win the game by going long.

He would fit well into a team with San Diego's scheme. Sproles is there for the dump off on Screens. They have 3 decent Receivers including Gates. And lesser receivers like Manumaeuluna (or whatever it is) who he doesn't hesitate in using.

I like the way he has improved his reads as well. He used Gaffney, Aiken, our 2nd Tightend and the other RBs.

This is his first proper season in 6/7 years. He can only get better.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 07:16 PM

FFS Paul, stop wanking over Sproles. He got his start yesterday and had one good play.

He's not good enough when faced with a top defense.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:24 PM

Yes, because every Rusher has had a great game against the Steelers.

Tashard Choice = 88 yards

LeRon McClain = 87 yards

Sproles = 15 yards. But 5 receptions for 90 yards.

I'm pretty sure i've got the game plan worked out for the Steelers.

Screen passes and different versions of handing off.

Choice is quick and smallish like Sproles. Give it to them and they are gone :)

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:28 PM

He also isn't the Number One back there, which means his numbers are lower.

My point was that he suits the formation where it can be dumped off to someone.

I'd say he requires a decent OL, One good tightend and a slot receiver.

The most popular formation used was 3 WR, 1 RB and a TE.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Yes, because every Rusher has had a great game against the Steelers.

Tashard Choice = 88 yards

LeRon McClain = 87 yards

Sproles = 15 yards. But 5 receptions for 90 yards.

I'm pretty sure i've got the game plan worked out for the Steelers.

Screen passes and different versions of handing off.

Choice is quick and smallish like Sproles. Give it to them and they are gone :)

Paul, if you want to argue, don't quote half the f*cking stats.

Choice had 88 rush yards and 78 receiving yards on 5 catches against the Steelers (166 yards of offense vs 105 for Sproles...). He averages 5.1 yards a carry including games against the Giants, Eagles, Skins and Steelers.

Take Sproles stats, remove Denver (twice) and Indy (twice) who can't stop the run, and you have basically nothing. Well, you have 141 rushing yards for the season, actually. And you want the Pats to sign him? 4TDs all season - 2 against the Colts, 1 against Denver and a KO return.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:49 PM

Matt Cassels season stats: Bear with me as i'm working my way through piles of paper and websites.

Some notes:
New England - 8th best Rushing YPG and 12th best Passing YPG.

2 400 yard games. 415yds @ Miami and 400yds vs Jets.
1 300 yard game. 345 yds vs Arizona in the snow. Removed in 3rd quarter.

Completes less passes when within 1 Touchdown (this includes spikes)

The misleading stat earlier from saxoneagle was his Completion Percentage.

Although that went down, his December Passing Rating was 102.7. He got first downs 42% of the time.

He had 8 Touchdowns and 1 Interception throughout those matches. In all kinds of weather. This includes 4 Touchdowns against a Top 10 Pass Defense.
His one Interception came against Oakland when Benjamin Watson caught and then threw the ball to the Corner.

He scored 4 TDs against Miami and Oakland.
And 3 TDs against Arizona, Denver and the Jets.

His worst game came against Pittsburgh and the Chiefs in his first game.

Provides a genuine threat with his feet, scored 2 TDs and improved his YPC as the season went on and designed roll-outs were added to the playbook. He also had a 33% 1st Down Percentage.

I have hundreds of other facts, but I'm not going to bore you all anymore.

I am certain he will be gone by draft day. As certain as I was that he would be franchised.

I'll leave it here for now.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
Paul, if you want to argue, don't quote half the f*cking stats.

Choice had 88 rush yards and 78 receiving yards on 5 catches against the Steelers (166 yards of offense vs 105 for Sproles...). He averages 5.1 yards a carry including games against the Giants, Eagles, Skins and Steelers.

Take Sproles stats, remove Denver (twice) and Indy (twice) who can't stop the run, and you have basically nothing. Well, you have 141 rushing yards for the season, actually. And you want the Pats to sign him? 4TDs all season - 2 against the Colts, 1 against Denver and a KO return.

He had 61 Carries all season (not including the playoffs). Remove the 23 against Denver and that leaves 38 carries for 141.

141/38 = 3.71 YPC.

He also had 5 Receiving Touchdowns. Hence, the Screens.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez
He had 61 Carries all season (not including the playoffs). Remove the 23 against Denver and that leaves 38 carries for 141.

141/38 = 3.71 YPC.

He also had 5 Receiving Touchdowns. Hence, the Screens.

He'll make one decent play a game, on average. DECENT play. We don't need him.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 08:24 PM

I dont think we need him now either.

Maroney at worst can do a job on 3rd down in rotation with Faulk

Morris and Faulk can carry the load.

I dont want to bring this back to the Pats though.

I'll end with a statement.

GO CARDINALS!!!

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nookiebear
Could Cassel go to Detroit and make a difference? I'm not so sure.

Could he go to Detroit and make himself an eight-figure sum? Probably, and at the end of the day that could be all that matters to him.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 08:55 PM

If I was to be sentimental I would say it doesn't matter to him.

But if I was offered 4 years, $30 million guaranteed with bonuses with the Vikings, I think I would take it ahead of the $14m one year.

And i'm pretty sure Cassel will take that as well.

Detroit would be better if they could get a Tackle (Oher/Smith) with their Number One. Give us Dallas's picks for Cassel. They can then rebuild their Lines through the draft and Free Agency.

Dave Nunn 12-01-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
C'mon you Eagles!!!!

Congratulations Bro! If you get to the SB I hope you stuff the Squeelers or Ratbirds!

Next year will be the year of the Dawgs! Only Kidding :o

WOOF WOOF

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldrulez
If I was to be sentimental I would say it doesn't matter to him.

But if I was offered 4 years, $30 million guaranteed with bonuses with the Vikings, I think I would take it ahead of the $14m one year.

And i'm pretty sure Cassel will take that as well.

If he's franchised he doesn't have a choice, does he?

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 10:37 PM

He can refuse to be traded.

If (When) he is traded, he takes the one year contract with him, but this can be changed when traded obviously.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 11:14 PM

Sorry, I thought you were talking about a straight-up swap between being franchised and opting for free agency. My bad.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 11:28 PM

Don't worry, I never make myself clear.

I think a good Matchup for Sunday has to be Fitzgerald vs Samuel (if they line up together). Asante cannot take the amount of risks he did against the Giants. A better receiver than Steve Smith(NYG;)) would have snaffled it and been into the endzone.

Roethlisberger vs Reed, Lewis etc and Flacco vs Harrison, Polamalu etc


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