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ardeo 01-03-2010 11:05 AM

In terms of OT, i'd prefer to see a straight shoot out. Either take turns trying to make 2 point conversions, or alternatively have 4 downs from the 20 yard line to get a TD. Just make that sudden death straight away. Just about the only way you are going to make overtime even and no longer down to a coin toss. Even with the proposed rules a team can lose without ever having possession of the ball if they give up a TD.

Swanny32 01-03-2010 12:16 PM

Why not just play another quarter and see who is the winner at the end of it? If the game is still a tie after another quarter then it goes to 2 point conversion shoot out as Tom suggests above. That would be really cool.

pauldrulez 01-03-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ardeo
In terms of OT, i'd prefer to see a straight shoot out. Either take turns trying to make 2 point conversions, or alternatively have 4 downs from the 20 yard line to get a TD. Just make that sudden death straight away. Just about the only way you are going to make overtime even and no longer down to a coin toss. Even with the proposed rules a team can lose without ever having possession of the ball if they give up a TD.

I like the proposed rule though.

If you can't stop a TD, you don't deserve a chance to score.

First to 5+ (FG, Safety)

Strathclyde Eagle 01-03-2010 01:02 PM

Finished watching that 30 for 30 on the Colts move to Indy yesterday. The bit about the fan being buried in full Colts uniform after the Colts moved was really sad. I don't think American leagues understand what that does to people.

Swanny32 03-03-2010 09:26 PM

This is brilliant:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...n-s-40-yd-dash

Swanny32 03-03-2010 09:32 PM

Vick has said that he would like to play for the Panthers......

Julius Peppers' representatives were chatting to the Bears at the Combine.....

Brandon Marshall and Elvis Dumervil have both had Tenders put on them, Elvis got a first and third round designation and Marshall only got a first round designation. Could be worth a punt from someone.

pauldrulez 03-03-2010 09:35 PM

Orton got a first round tender as well.

No-one will give a first for Orton or 1/3 for Dumervil.

They want rid of Marshall anyway. I reckon someone could offer a 2nd and they take it.

Peppers will be in Washington. Too much money for Snyder to blow and he'll do it.

Vick can say what he wants. I don't think Carolina go away from Matt Moore.

elliott 03-03-2010 09:35 PM

College overtime. Proven to be the best.

pauldrulez 03-03-2010 09:36 PM

Tenders are coming in quickly.

Free Agency begins in 27 hours I believe.

We've still got players to tender. And a lot of our decent players are off in Free Agency.

jazman 04-03-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by elliott
College overtime. Proven to be the best.

What do they do in college games?

Swanny32 04-03-2010 09:42 AM

This should help Jaz

** A coin toss determines which side shall attempt to score first, and at which end zone the scores shall be attempted.

** Each team in turn will receive one possession, starting with first-and-10 from a fixed point on the opponent's side of the field:
* In college football, the possession begins at the opponent's 25-yard line.
* In high school football, the ball begins at the 10-yard line, with the option for state high school associations to use different yardage (such as the 15, 20, or 25-yard line)
* In the CFL, where a single point can be scored on a punt, the 35-yard line is used.

** The game clock does not run during overtime; the play clock, however, is enforced.

** A team's possession ends when it scores (touchdown or field goal), misses a field goal, fails to gain a first down on the final down, or loses the ball by turnover. As usual, a touchdown by the offense is followed by a try for one or two points. (In NCAA Football, teams must attempt a two-point conversion after a touchdown starting in the third overtime.)

** In college football the defense may score on a play on which it gains possession by turnover. In high school football, the defense is generally not allowed to score if it gains possession, although the Oregon School Activities Association adopted the college rule experimentally in 2005, and the University Interscholastic League of Texas, the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, and the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association use NCAA football rules.

** Each team receives one charged time-out per overtime procedure (except in the CFL).

** If the score remains tied at the end of the overtime procedure, an additional overtime procedure is played. The team with the second possession in one overtime procedure will have the first possession in the next overtime procedure.

** In the CFL there is a limit of two overtime procedures in regular-season games (after which the game is a tie), but no limit in playoff games. In American college and high school football, the overtime procedures are continued until a winner is determined.

Swanny32 04-03-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Orton got a first round tender as well.

No-one will give a first for Orton or 1/3 for Dumervil.

They want rid of Marshall anyway. I reckon someone could offer a 2nd and they take it.

Peppers will be in Washington. Too much money for Snyder to blow and he'll do it.

Vick can say what he wants. I don't think Carolina go away from Matt Moore.

You're right, Orton and Dumervil will never be snapped up with those tenders placed on them however Marshall is a different kettle of fish. I think someone will take him for a first round, you can't argue at the guys talent and the experience he has will help all the other receivers in the team, I'm not saying I'd want him at Philly but he'd really help our young offence out, you'd just hope they don't have his attitude rub off on them.

jazman 04-03-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swanny32
This should help Jaz

** A coin toss determines which side shall attempt to score first, and at which end zone the scores shall be attempted.

** Each team in turn will receive one possession, starting with first-and-10 from a fixed point on the opponent's side of the field:
* In college football, the possession begins at the opponent's 25-yard line.
* In high school football, the ball begins at the 10-yard line, with the option for state high school associations to use different yardage (such as the 15, 20, or 25-yard line)
* In the CFL, where a single point can be scored on a punt, the 35-yard line is used.

** The game clock does not run during overtime; the play clock, however, is enforced.

** A team's possession ends when it scores (touchdown or field goal), misses a field goal, fails to gain a first down on the final down, or loses the ball by turnover. As usual, a touchdown by the offense is followed by a try for one or two points. (In NCAA Football, teams must attempt a two-point conversion after a touchdown starting in the third overtime.)

** In college football the defense may score on a play on which it gains possession by turnover. In high school football, the defense is generally not allowed to score if it gains possession, although the Oregon School Activities Association adopted the college rule experimentally in 2005, and the University Interscholastic League of Texas, the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, and the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association use NCAA football rules.

** Each team receives one charged time-out per overtime procedure (except in the CFL).

** If the score remains tied at the end of the overtime procedure, an additional overtime procedure is played. The team with the second possession in one overtime procedure will have the first possession in the next overtime procedure.

** In the CFL there is a limit of two overtime procedures in regular-season games (after which the game is a tie), but no limit in playoff games. In American college and high school football, the overtime procedures are continued until a winner is determined.

Thanks Swanny. As Elliot suggested it makes a lot of sense to me ...

ardeo 04-03-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swanny32
This should help Jaz

** A coin toss determines which side shall attempt to score first, and at which end zone the scores shall be attempted.

** Each team in turn will receive one possession, starting with first-and-10 from a fixed point on the opponent's side of the field:
* In college football, the possession begins at the opponent's 25-yard line.
* In high school football, the ball begins at the 10-yard line, with the option for state high school associations to use different yardage (such as the 15, 20, or 25-yard line)
* In the CFL, where a single point can be scored on a punt, the 35-yard line is used.

** The game clock does not run during overtime; the play clock, however, is enforced.

** A team's possession ends when it scores (touchdown or field goal), misses a field goal, fails to gain a first down on the final down, or loses the ball by turnover. As usual, a touchdown by the offense is followed by a try for one or two points. (In NCAA Football, teams must attempt a two-point conversion after a touchdown starting in the third overtime.)

** In college football the defense may score on a play on which it gains possession by turnover. In high school football, the defense is generally not allowed to score if it gains possession, although the Oregon School Activities Association adopted the college rule experimentally in 2005, and the University Interscholastic League of Texas, the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, and the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association use NCAA football rules.

** Each team receives one charged time-out per overtime procedure (except in the CFL).

** If the score remains tied at the end of the overtime procedure, an additional overtime procedure is played. The team with the second possession in one overtime procedure will have the first possession in the next overtime procedure.

** In the CFL there is a limit of two overtime procedures in regular-season games (after which the game is a tie), but no limit in playoff games. In American college and high school football, the overtime procedures are continued until a winner is determined.

How many possessions do they get?

I think the problem with the proposed new rule is that in high scoring games, it still massively favours the winners of the coin toss, which is surely the reason why they are trying to change the rule.

Really think the only fair way is some kind of redzone shoot out. Everyone is involved, defence have to keep them out, offence have to get a td, simple as that. Both have 3 goes each to give them a fair chance.

jazman 04-03-2010 04:09 PM

How about a penalty kick style rule. The kicker from each team takes turns to kick a FG starting from the 10 yard line, then the 20, then the 30 and finally the 40 or until someone misses? Could increase the yardage by 5 or as I suggested 10 yards each time ...

Would give something more for a kicker to do in a game I guess ...

ardeo 04-03-2010 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazman
How about a penalty kick style rule. The kicker from each team takes turns to kick a FG starting from the 10 yard line, then the 20, then the 30 and finally the 40 or until someone misses? Could increase the yardage by 5 or as I suggested 10 yards each time ...

Would give something more for a kicker to do in a game I guess ...

Think its a bit harsh coming all down to the kickers. I know it can do in games, and that's what they are paid for. But for overtime to just be settled by them would seem not to provide the best solution to the problem.

In essence OT is to differentiate the teams and in particular you would hope to ensure the best team wins. That's why I think everyone needs to be involved.

jazman 04-03-2010 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardeo
Think its a bit harsh coming all down to the kickers. I know it can do in games, and that's what they are paid for. But for overtime to just be settled by them would seem not to provide the best solution to the problem.

In essence OT is to differentiate the teams and in particular you would hope to ensure the best team wins. That's why I think everyone needs to be involved.

Penalty kicks are harsh is football but it works.

zonin2000 04-03-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman
Penalty kicks are harsh is football but it works.

But in football, everybody is supposed to be able to kick the ball.

pauldrulez 04-03-2010 06:41 PM

Pro-Bowl (and two-time All-pro) Guard Logan Mankins tendered at 1st and 3rd level.

Pro Bowl Kicker Stephen Gostkowski tendered at 2nd round level.

Rumours i'm hearing.

Anquan Boldin via trade. 3rd round pick is all they want in Arizona. Boldin wants big bucks though.

pauldrulez 04-03-2010 06:41 PM

Pro-Bowl (and two-time All-pro) Guard Logan Mankins tendered at 1st and 3rd level.

Pro Bowl Kicker Stephen Gostkowski tendered at 2nd round level.

Rumours i'm hearing.

Anquan Boldin via trade. 3rd round pick is all they want in Arizona. Boldin wants big bucks though.


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