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spike 16-01-2022 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215834)
History & statistics suggest not.

What’s the % of successful 4th innings chases of >270 in Ashes Tests?

In all Tests(W-T-D-L)

Target of 270+.
54-1-262-505

Target of 250-300
33-0-88-60

jmemour 16-01-2022 01:32 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...301c936981.jpg

LOL

Olympian2 16-01-2022 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215884)
Sorry, are you saying that at 68-0, with 2 days left, you shouldnít expect to chase down another 202?

Correct.

Feel free to come back with those stats about % successful run chases of 271 in Ashes Tests, and/or Test matches generally.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16216024)
Target of 270+.
54-1-262-505

Target of 250-300
33-88-60

Ah, cheers Spike. Can you translate those numbers for me, please, so we can work whether Iím talking bollocks or not?

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216028)
Correct.

Feel free to come back with those stats about % successful run chases of 271 in Ashes Tests, and/or Test matches generally.

Well thatís probably where weíve got to isnít it. Expecting us not to be able to score 200 runs in 2 days on a decent pitch. I can tell you something, if it was the other way round the Aussies would have pissed it.

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216037)
Well thatís probably where weíve got to isnít it. Expecting us not to be able to score 200 runs in 2 days on a decent pitch. I can tell you something, if it was the other way round the Aussies would have pissed it.

That's why the Aussies were bowled out for 155, then ? And it wasn't under the lights, either.

Historically in Test matches targets of 250+ are not that often chased down but obviously 68-0 to 124 all out is completely pathetic

spike 16-01-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216031)
Ah, cheers Spike. Can you translate those numbers for me, please, so we can work whether Iím talking bollocks or not?

Sides chasing 250-300 lose twice as much as they win. The draw was never in play here so we can ignore those.
I didn't notice you asked about ashes tests, so these are in all matches

Olympian2 16-01-2022 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16216053)
Sides chasing 250-300 lose twice as much as they win. The draw was never in play here so we can ignore those.
I didn't notice you asked about ashes tests, so these are in all matches

Cool, thanks spike :p

East-End Eagle 16-01-2022 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jmemour (Post 16216025)

I think they need a new parison working the table. Flags and countries all mixed up! Not that is changes Englandís woeful state!

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16216052)
That's why the Aussies were bowled out for 155, then ? And it wasn't under the lights, either.

Historically in Test matches targets of 250+ are not that often chased down but obviously 68-0 to 124 all out is completely pathetic

Their mentality would have been different though. 68-0 chasing 270 with 2 days left, they piss it. No doubt.

I havenít seen all the wickets but Iíd bet there was no more than 3 that were won by the quality of the bowling. More that our batsman just simply lack both the technique and mental fortitude to protect their wickets.

art malice 16-01-2022 03:25 PM

Thank fvck thatís over

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jmemour (Post 16216025)
LOL

The real LOL

https://iili.io/c6sDc7.jpg

desperado 16-01-2022 03:32 PM

The revolving doors on the away team dressing rooms can be removed until the next time we visit

Olympian2 16-01-2022 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216121)
Their mentality would have been different though. 68-0 chasing 270 with 2 days left, they piss it. No doubt.

So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216616)
So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

Also add in the fact, we have a fairly shit record at chasing 4th innings totals, to make the comment even more vacuous.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 09:03 AM

Thanks for the usual bantz lads, sorry about the result.

When we back your way? 2023?

What are the odds, Rooty is still captain and Jimmy & Broady are still in the frame?

Worksop Palace 17-01-2022 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216616)
So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

I havenít checked the average 4th innings run chase total but yes Iíd suggest 270 was a fairly standard target. I didnít say it was an easy target, I said it was a standard target, ie we were not set an unachievable target.

And yes, when you get to 68-0 with 2 and a bit days left on a decent pitch, getting 200 more runs shouldnít really be much of an issue.

Olympian2 17-01-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216834)
Thanks for the usual bantz lads, sorry about the result.

When we back your way? 2023?

What are the odds, Rooty is still captain and Jimmy & Broady are still in the frame?

Well played, Australia. Congrats to Jim, Bonesy etc.

Absolutely no complaints with the 4-0. I'm still a bit cross that that rain you promised didn't show up - I got 14/1 on the series score being 3-0 :p

No doubt there'll be a post-Tour review to see what went wrong & how we can be stronger next time, just like there has been pretty much every time we've toured down under over the last 30 odd years. Aggers has already published his suggested remedy, no doubt Harrison will give it some thought after he's fixed the racism. Ashley Giles has been unsurprisingly quiet as the cricketing MD :wallbash:

Yep, you're over here next summer by the looks of things. Catch you then :p

Olympian2 17-01-2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216837)
I havenít checked the average 4th innings run chase total but yes Iíd suggest 270 was a fairly standard target. I didnít say it was an easy target, I said it was a standard target, ie we were not set an unachievable target.

And yes, when you get to 68-0 with 2 and a bit days left on a decent pitch, getting 200 more runs shouldnít really be much of an issue.

No worries, spike did it for you. 270 is far from standard.

Wolfnipplechips 17-01-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216842)
Well played, Australia. Congrats to Jim, Bonesy etc.

Absolutely no complaints with the 4-0. I'm still a bit cross that that rain you promised didn't show up - I got 14/1 on the series score being 3-0 :p

No doubt there'll be a post-Tour review to see what went wrong & how we can be stronger next time, just like there has been pretty much every time we've toured down under over the last 30 odd years. Aggers has already published his suggested remedy, no doubt Harrison will give it some thought after he's fixed the racism. Ashley Giles has been unsurprisingly quiet as the cricketing MD :wallbash:

Yep, you're over here next summer by the looks of things. Catch you then :p

Doubtful.


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