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LLCOOLSTEVE 21-01-2015 12:14 PM

Oh dear

Why do it?!

Talk about take the gloss off a victory!

Funk Butter 21-01-2015 12:17 PM

I think an important consideration is when the balls were deflated. If the Patriots gave them deflated balls, it's on the refs. If somehow, they deflated them during the game, then the punishment will be more severe.

Benzhiyi 21-01-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Funk Butter (Post 12190895)
I think an important consideration is when the balls were deflated. If the Patriots gave them deflated balls, it's on the refs. If somehow, they deflated them during the game, then the punishment will be more severe.


Precisely.

Although it's probably the game beforehand that warrants deeper investigation. Did deflated balls play a part in that (admittedly brilliant) comeback versus a usually stout Ravens defense? Guess it's too late for us to ever know, now.

Arron 22-01-2015 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi (Post 12190915)
Precisely.

Although it's probably the game beforehand that warrants deeper investigation. Did deflated balls play a part in that (admittedly brilliant) comeback versus a usually stout Ravens defense? Guess it's too late for us to ever know, now.

Seeing as the Pats came back from 14 points down twice in the game you refer to, then either the balls were under inflated all the way through the game and the officials, whose job it is to measure these things, didn't do their jobs properly, or you're desperately reaching for something, anything to beat the Patriots with.

pauldrulez 22-01-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi (Post 12190915)
Precisely.

Although it's probably the game beforehand that warrants deeper investigation. Did deflated balls play a part in that (admittedly brilliant) comeback versus a usually stout Ravens defense? Guess it's too late for us to ever know, now.

Did the Ravens deflate the balls to score 31 against a usually stout Patriots defense?

Read that if you want a theory on why balls can deflate.

https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/558118342922620928

If they did it, they're muppets as it didn't matter anyway as it makes the balls spiral less when you throw it, and they wasn't throwing it.

Not sure it makes it any less cheating than the teams who were warming up their footballs earlier in the season, or players who take PEDs.

We're onto Seattle.

pauldrulez 22-01-2015 01:50 PM

Score with apparently deflated balls: 17-7

Balls changed at half time.

Score with backup, inflated to high PSI balls: 28-0

We here in New England would like to thank D'Qwell Jackson and Ryan Grigson for bringing the complaint forward to the NFL (look at the footage, Pagano couldn't care less when he's shown) and allowing a fairer 2nd half to take place.

On to the Superbowl.

pauldrulez 22-01-2015 02:12 PM

From @ESPNBoston 3m3 minutes ago
@AdamSchefter says on @SportsCenter that from what he has been told, Bill Belichick had no knowledge of deflated footballs.

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Now, I may be wrong, but I don't believe he ever denied Spygate. Which was basically Mangini getting pissed off that Belichick did it at Meadowlands, when BB had let Mangini off for doing the same thing the previous season...

Benzhiyi 22-01-2015 03:55 PM

The NFL thread
 
Great piece:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...21-column.html

(Probably not for the enjoyment of Paul and the other Patriots fans who will justify every example of their team's cheating with the baseless claim that 'everyone else does it'.)

Why even have a rule book?

Same old, same old.

I would LOVE to debate this with a Pats fan who can admit the wrongdoing and discuss what may merit a just punishment, rather than play the 'he hate me' card and try to sweep it under the Gisele-branded carpet. Saxon?

Benzhiyi 22-01-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez (Post 12193089)
Score with apparently deflated balls: 17-7

Balls changed at half time.

Score with backup, inflated to high PSI balls: 28-0

We here in New England would like to thank D'Qwell Jackson and Ryan Grigson for bringing the complaint forward to the NFL (look at the footage, Pagano couldn't care less when he's shown) and allowing a fairer 2nd half to take place.

On to the Superbowl.


P.S. Out of interest, which part of 'results shouldn't alter intent' do you find it so hard to comprehend? It's only a four-word sentence after all.

Funk Butter 22-01-2015 04:07 PM

What I love is the "defense" of "well the Patriots would have won anyway" in order to not face punishment. That's like me trying to shoot Tom Jones in the face and missing and saying, "no harm done". They operated outside the rules and should get a punishment. Is it a big deal? Of course not, but they are repeat offenders. Maybe every team does it, but they seem to be the only ones that get caught. Just own up to it and let's get on with our lives. Jeez.

Funk Butter 22-01-2015 04:12 PM

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The NFL is considering fining Lynch "significantly more" than the $50,000 it has fined him in each of the past two seasons for not speaking to the media, something Lynch declined to do post-game again Sunday, per an NFL official. Now, this is another issue that threatens to hang over the Super Bowl week with Lynch being required to speak to the media Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. An NFL official said there would be increasing fines for each session Lynch missed, with each fine being more than the two $50,000 fines already imposed and the upcoming one that soon is expected to be handed down.
Is it any wonder everybody hates Roger GODdell. What a dick.

Funk Butter 22-01-2015 04:17 PM

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...vtzbbnzyw0.jpg

pauldrulez 22-01-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi (Post 12193336)
Great piece:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...21-column.html

(Probably not for the enjoyment of Paul and the other Patriots fans who will justify every example of their team's cheating with the baseless claim that 'everyone else does it'.)

Why even have a rule book?

Same old, same old.

I would LOVE to debate this with a Pats fan who can admit the wrongdoing and discuss what may merit a just punishment, rather than play the 'he hate me' card and try to sweep it under the Gisele-branded carpet. Saxon?


Could read it later.

By a Dolphins reporter, so hardly unbiased.

Until there are facts presented, there is no point discussing it.

L'kooch 22-01-2015 04:45 PM

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-line-steppers


great chappelles show reference

pauldrulez 22-01-2015 04:47 PM

Leave it to you all to get on with discussing it now.

I really cba with discussing something where people assign guilt before it's not even been investigated.

Just so you know, the Pats knew about it at half time. Hence why Belichick had Brady throwing deep bombs at 45-7.

Funk Butter 22-01-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L'kooch (Post 12193428)

http://i.imgur.com/aMEEV3r.gif

Funk Butter 22-01-2015 10:10 PM

It's kicking off in the Big Easy. Tom Benson just decided to cut out his family from all his businesses and give everything to wife #3 when he dies.

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This morning, an official press release was sent out announcing that New Orleans Saints and Pelicans owner Tom Benson had drastically restructured his plans for the inevitable ownership transfer of each team. Under the new plan, the 87-year-old Benson's daughter, Renee Benson, and her two children will be cut out completely. Upon Benson's death, full ownership of the Saints and Pelicans will be transferred to his 67-year-old third wife, Gayle. Obviously, those family members who are being left out in the cold are not too happy about this, and they are now suing. Renee and her two children, Rita Benson-LeBlanc and Ryan Benson-LeBlanc, filed a lawsuit in the Orleans Parish Civil District Court that seeks to block the change in succession. The lawsuit claims that Tom Benson lacks the mental capacity to make such a decision on his own, and is being manipulated by his wife. The New Orleans Advocate has a few details from the suit:
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The petition says that Benson's mental health has also been deteriorating. When he was recently asked who the president of the United States was, he replied "Ronald Reagan" and then guessed "Harry Truman," according to the petition. It does not say who asked him those questions or who was present when he answered. The petition claims that Benson shows brief periods of lucidity, but "that quickly turns into confusion."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-x2xZCEAA9I7K.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-x6MgCYAAlA6r.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-x9A5CQAA5u8b.jpg

TeamSlack 22-01-2015 10:40 PM

had a "huh." moment this morning when Troy Aikman said on the radio that it is absolutely impossible for the QB to not have anything to do with deflating the ball. also said (and this is before BB was interviewed and said to talk to Tom) that NE should be punished more than the Saints with the headhunting issue because there was no evidence on the field of headhunting...and there is evidence on the field here. FWIW

TeamSlack 22-01-2015 10:43 PM

Personally I think punishment should be forcing Belichick to do Hard Knocks for 3 straight seasons.

Benzhiyi 22-01-2015 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Funk Butter (Post 12193351)
What I love is the "defense" of "well the Patriots would have won anyway" in order to not face punishment. That's like me trying to shoot Tom Jones in the face and missing and saying, "no harm done". They operated outside the rules and should get a punishment. Is it a big deal? Of course not, but they are repeat offenders. Maybe every team does it, but they seem to be the only ones that get caught. Just own up to it and let's get on with our lives. Jeez.

Or being found guilty of taking performance-enhancing drugs, but claiming afterwards that you should face no punishment because your team lost.

The point repeatedly missed by Deflatriot supporters is cheating doesn't only become relevant if it affects the end result.


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