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davech 15-01-2022 09:33 AM

Just beggars belief how bad we are. No clue how to play or build a test innings. Schoolboy stuff. Play a few shots, maybe get to double figures (20+ if it goes well), get out, trudge off to a "Bad luck. Well played" from the sports master. Still, at least we have scored more than Travis Head and Cameron Green now.

And, as I type, another one bites the dust to an idiotic one-day shot. THIS IS A TEST MATCH FFS!! Plus ca change and all that. 300+ totals are a distant memory.

Could we beat anyone at the moment?

Aki Aki Aki 15-01-2022 09:35 AM

I hope this isn't Kent's finest only Test, he's played well today despite being caught on the boundary. There was a good article in the Telegraph about him this week, even going as far as suggesting he could be a potential England captain. I know i'm slightly biased, but I think he has what it takes, and at 30 still has years ahead of him. We need new ideas as part of the huge reshuffle ahead

davech 15-01-2022 09:38 AM

Oh, and I found out something else today. Burns can't run either.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 15-01-2022 09:38 AM

How does that work. The counties bring in overseas players to strengthen their teams. Who would NSW say want from England who would improve them. Half the current team are NSW even Tasmania have a decent Shield side. You and I both know that it's an excuse because the ECB has sold out to the short form games for the $$ now the chickens have come home to roost. Finally why ban Australian players , all the test playing countries have county players.

davech 15-01-2022 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYLIE MINEAGLE (Post 16213863)
How does that work. The counties bring in overseas players to strengthen their teams. Who would NSW say want from England who would improve them. Half the current team are NSW even Tasmania have a decent Shield side. You and I both know that it's an excuse because the ECB has sold out to the short form games for the $$ now the chickens have come home to roost. Finally why ban Australian players , all the test playing countries have county players.

Spot on. Our players could learn a lot from overseas players, if they had the capacity or will to learn. Rewind a generation (or two). Who could fail to learn from the likes of Gary Sobers, etc in the team? Players need role models to bring them along. Home-grown ones are few and far between.

ExiledStirling 15-01-2022 09:52 AM

That decision was almost similar to VAR ruling offside because a players finger nails were in an offside position.

davech 15-01-2022 09:54 AM

Another brief appearance from Broady :D

davech 15-01-2022 09:58 AM

Perhaps this 'cricket in the dark' has SOMETHING going for it. The fielders lose the ball in the dark.

And it's over. Can't even manage 200, let alone 300. Pathetic.

davech 15-01-2022 10:04 AM

The hope now is we can make early inroads again and this time not let them off the hook. Only pride left to play for now. Come on!!

Aki Aki Aki 15-01-2022 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYLIE MINEAGLE (Post 16213863)
How does that work. The counties bring in overseas players to strengthen their teams. Who would NSW say want from England who would improve them. Half the current team are NSW even Tasmania have a decent Shield side. You and I both know that it's an excuse because the ECB has sold out to the short form games for the $$ now the chickens have come home to roost. Finally why ban Australian players , all the test playing countries have county players.

Root and maybe Stokes aside, agreed about no England player being good enough KM. But it should be all overseas players, not just Aussies. It won't ever happen because of £, but I don't see many overseas players turning out for domestic teams outside of England over the years. In some ways we are our own worst enemy. An overseas player may well bring skills and knowledge, but their personal benefit far outweighs that in my opinion. Perhaps the county championship should be reduced in size, make it regional and play it on true wickets in the middle of summer. A failure in county cricket is often overlooked as there is always another game straight after to make amends. In Sheffield Shield there are only a few games to play all season, the competition is way harder, and there is a genuine price on your wicket.

davech 15-01-2022 10:06 AM

Pair for Warner please :D

davech 15-01-2022 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16213897)
Pair for Warner please :D

:lux::lux::lux::lux:

Apparently the first opener to have two 'pairs' in the Ashes. (Thanks, TMS)

kabbott 15-01-2022 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16213892)
The hope now is we can make early inroads again and this time not let them off the hook. Only pride left to play for now. Come on!!

They probably don't even need to bat a second time. Their lead is already over a hundred!

crystaljim 15-01-2022 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16213900)
:lux::lux::lux::lux:

Apparently the first opener to have two 'pairs' in the Ashes. (Thanks, TMS)

Considering the competition, that's an impressive record.

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 10:23 AM

Bowlers doing their bit again.

davech 15-01-2022 10:23 AM

Lagershandy gone now. Keep at it.

Aki Aki Aki 15-01-2022 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16213900)
:lux::lux::lux::lux:

Apparently the first opener to have two 'pairs' in the Ashes. (Thanks, TMS)

All three #1 batters out for nothing, I wonder if Burns can make it four (very possible :D ). Would that be a Test record ?

crystaljim 15-01-2022 10:30 AM

So many lazy caught legside dismissals by both sides this series.

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16213934)
All three #1 batters out for nothing, I wonder if Burns can make it four (very possible :D ). Would that be a Test record ?

If anyone can do it, itís Burns

Jordan's Jacket 15-01-2022 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16213857)
I hope this isn't Kent's finest only Test, he's played well today despite being caught on the boundary. There was a good article in the Telegraph about him this week, even going as far as suggesting he could be a potential England captain. I know i'm slightly biased, but I think he has what it takes, and at 30 still has years ahead of him. We need new ideas as part of the huge reshuffle ahead

As a Kent fan I have to disagree. He is not a test player.

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16213952)
As a Kent fan I have to disagree. He is not a test player.

If we had anything like a decent strength squad, Iíd probably agree.

HoweverÖ.

Prince Phillip 15-01-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16213857)
I hope this isn't Kent's finest only Test, he's played well today despite being caught on the boundary. There was a good article in the Telegraph about him this week, even going as far as suggesting he could be a potential England captain. I know i'm slightly biased, but I think he has what it takes, and at 30 still has years ahead of him. We need new ideas as part of the huge reshuffle ahead

Have been thinking that being made captain of the Oval Invincibles is a pre-cursor to Surrey getting the chequebook out and asking him to captain the County in general.

davech 15-01-2022 11:10 AM

33-3!

Nightwatchman coming out. Aussies running scared :D

crystaljim 15-01-2022 11:45 AM

Lol, somewhere Steve Waugh is shaking his head.

davech 15-01-2022 11:53 AM

The time-wasting in the last over was a tad unbecoming. Not that we would have done any different, I hope.

art malice 15-01-2022 12:19 PM

Just occurred to me that we’ve not won a test in Australia for ten years.

RazorsEdge 15-01-2022 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16213900)
:lux::lux::lux::lux:

Apparently the first opener to have two 'pairs' in the Ashes. (Thanks, TMS)

I just felt we won the Ashes, I am so happy lol

RazorsEdge 15-01-2022 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16214015)
Lol, somewhere Steve Waugh is shaking his head.

^ Made me think the same when I saw the nightwatchman from OZ

RazorsEdge 15-01-2022 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16214065)
Just occurred to me that weíve not won a test in Australia for ten years.

A lead of 152 is still a lot to chase for us

davech 15-01-2022 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16214115)
A lead of 152 is still a lot too many to chase for us

EFA :D

LuieJack 15-01-2022 01:57 PM

I can see a total of around 250 being set, but the problem England then face is with our batting confidence so low that when a wicket falls it then starts off a landslide, sadly it looks like only one likely result which can only mean an Aussie win.

davech 15-01-2022 02:03 PM

IF (and it is a big IF) we were set 220/230, I can see us making a good fist of it. And no, I have not been drinking (I'm not allowed) and yes, I have taken all my medication :D

eaglesheart 15-01-2022 02:15 PM

I hope the fact that no touring England ashes side since 1958 have failed to muster 300 runs in any of their innings will embarrass this lot.

Latvian Eagle 15-01-2022 02:30 PM

I don't even get how as an opener you get run out in test cricket, absolutely idiotic, there wasn't even a run there to be had. :wallbash:

Stockport_Eagle 15-01-2022 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 16214161)
I can see a total of around 250 being set, but the problem England then face is with our batting confidence so low that when a wicket falls it then starts off a landslide, sadly it looks like only one likely result which can only mean an Aussie win.

A 250 lead would mean bowling them out for 135. That's what's needed to have any chance, but I can't see it, even with 3 down. They might have them 135-9, but Aus would probably still stumble to 200.

The most likely bit of good news for England tomorrow is they can go straight to the Airport.

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 16214210)
I don't even get how as an opener you get run out in test cricket, absolutely idiotic, there wasn't even a run there to be had. :wallbash:

I agree with the first bit but there was a run there, albeit a tight ish one. That’s what Warner and Oz do very well, rotate the strike regularly early and get the score ticking over. Makes it more difficult for the bowling team to build pressure

Wolfnipplechips 15-01-2022 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16214466)
I agree with the first bit but there was a run there, albeit a tight ish one. Thatís what Warner and Oz do very well, rotate the strike regularly early and get the score ticking over. Makes it more difficult for the bowling team to build pressure

Well there clearly wasnít a run there was there?

Otherwise he wouldnít have been run out. :clown:

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16214618)
Well there clearly wasn’t a run there was there?

Otherwise he wouldn’t have been run out. :clown:

Nipple boy been on the hooch :D

You blind as well as completely and utterly bereft of sense ?

Because every run out means there was no run there doesn’t it?

Silly Billy

Wolfnipplechips 15-01-2022 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16214631)
Nipple boy been on the hooch :D

You blind as well as completely and utterly bereft of sense ?

Because every run out means there was no run there doesnít it?

Silly Billy

Talk to someone who thinks youíre a good bloke.

Good luck.

Worksop Palace 15-01-2022 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16214637)
Talk to someone who thinks youíre a good bloke.

Good luck.

Hahahahahaha

Great response to a post about a run out.

Says far more about you than me does that

:D

Bones14 16-01-2022 12:26 AM

TBH lads. There's a run there if they don't hesitate. Crawley baulked a little and Burns was hesitant. Had Burns gone from the outset he would've made it comfortably IMHO.

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 03:46 AM

Would be embarrassing if Boland would score 20 or 30 odd

He is already nearing double figures

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 03:56 AM

Boland gone….for 8……phew

KYLIE MINEAGLE 16-01-2022 04:19 AM

6/63 . Surely not.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 16-01-2022 05:05 AM

Awful no ball decision on Carey.

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYLIE MINEAGLE (Post 16214825)
6/63 . Surely not.

Er, no....only question is which bowler will get 100 first

KYLIE MINEAGLE 16-01-2022 05:27 AM

England get a review correct.

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 05:51 AM

Finally exciting and competitive cricket

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 06:00 AM

130-8...lead by 245

The game is now....chasing 250/260 its game on....beyond that, hmmm....can they get the last two for not many???

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 06:07 AM

18 runs off the final two overs before the lunch/dinner break.

256 ahead, 2 wickets left.

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 07:15 AM

155 all out...271 to win. Burns 140 not out anyone??

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockport_Eagle (Post 16215155)
155 all out...271 to win. Burns 140 not out anyone??

LOLOLOLOL

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 07:16 AM

150 run defeat for England coming up.

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 07:22 AM

Well, bowlers have done their job again.

Over to you batters. Let’s see if.you do actually have some bollocks

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 07:28 AM

Spicy pitch, overcast, lights on - it doesn't bode well !

Olympian2 16-01-2022 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215208)
Well, bowlers have done their job again.

Over to you batters. Letís see if.you do actually have some bollocks

Itís not simply about Ďhaving bollocksí though, is it? Plenty of brave men & women canít bat. Itís about being able to score 270 in a 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 07:30 AM

I actually do not care if we lose providing we make a good fist of chasing down what is a difficult target. Will mean we come away with whatever little pride remains still intact.

biggus mickus 16-01-2022 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 16215268)
I actually do not care if we lose providing we make a good fist of chasing down what is a difficult target. Will mean we come away with whatever little pride remains still intact.

Pride? :supergrin:

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215261)
Itís not simply about Ďhaving bollocksí though, is it? Plenty of brave men & women canít bat. Itís about being able to score 270 in a 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

Which takes bollocks, or mental fortitude shall we say.

As they are international cricketers, we can pretty much say they are, or should be, capable of scoring 270 runs.

Scoring 270 runs batting last in a Ashes test, is as much in the head as it is in the hands

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggus mickus (Post 16215273)
Pride? :supergrin:

Fair point

crystaljim 16-01-2022 07:46 AM

South Africa have shown recently that 200 plus scores can be chased down in the 4th innings of tests.
You just have to bat more like them.
Simple, really!

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16215281)
South Africa have shown recently that 200 plus scores can be chased down in the 4th innings of tests.
You just have to bat more like them.
Simple, really!

Cheers Jim, it is Australiaís to loose now :)

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 07:53 AM

Decent start ! (He says, looking from behind the sofa !!)

stinky 16-01-2022 07:54 AM

We're going to win

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16215287)
Decent start ! (He says, looking from behind the sofa !!)

Lol I am watching NFL and catching up here

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 08:00 AM

Are there no barbers in Aus that Rory Burns can pay a visit ?

art malice 16-01-2022 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinky (Post 16215293)
We're going to win

Wtf?

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16215303)
Are there no barbers in Aus that Rory Burns can pay a visit ?

Not as if he's not had time :rolleyes:

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockport_Eagle (Post 16215317)
Not as if he's not had time :rolleyes:

Lol

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockport_Eagle (Post 16215317)
Not as if he's not had time :rolleyes:

:D

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16215303)
Are there no barbers in Aus that Rory Burns can pay a visit ?

He is planning to move to WWE, watch out Wrestlemania here comes Burns

stevek 16-01-2022 08:24 AM

They're just doing this to make the inevitable collapse even more painful.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16215281)
South Africa have shown recently that 200 plus scores can be chased down in the 4th innings of tests.
You just have to bat more like them.
Simple, really!

Didnít this England team score 362 to win a Test match just a couple of years ago?

Stockport_Eagle 16-01-2022 08:25 AM

So, good job my Ashes Monthly BT Sport pass expired yesterday.......

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevek (Post 16215325)
They're just doing this to make the inevitable collapse even more painful.

An opening partnership of 250 should be enough to deal with the collapse so keep the faith.

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 08:28 AM

Good start.

Should win comfortably from here.

Supersonic 16-01-2022 08:29 AM

surely I'm just dreaming and we're actually 20-3?

stevek 16-01-2022 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 16215328)
An opening partnership of 250 should be enough to deal with the collapse so keep the faith.

Provided Root stays in.

stinky 16-01-2022 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16215306)
Wtf?

Sorry

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215329)
Good start.

Should win comfortably from here.

Lol !

bradpitt 16-01-2022 08:38 AM

Oh Rory

stevek 16-01-2022 08:39 AM

Here we go. Last over before the break - typical.

Nth Kent Eagle 16-01-2022 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215158)
150 run defeat for England coming up.

Meh. Thatís the spirit. At 68 for 0 though a 60% chance of England winning still looks a little high. Thereís still a lot of runs to get on this pitch so Iíd say it was evens probability.

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 08:39 AM

It was good while it lasted

Olympian2 16-01-2022 08:39 AM

I got evens on Australia to win when Eng were about 50-0. Seemed like a very generous offer.

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 08:40 AM

Still time for a Root Ashes century in Aus.

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 16215342)
Meh. Thatís the spirit. At 68 for 0 though a 60% chance of England winning still looks a little high. Thereís still a lot of runs to get on this pitch so Iíd say it was evens probability.

Plenty of scope to be all out for 120. This is England, after all, renowned for its huge batting scores.

art malice 16-01-2022 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 16215343)
It was good while it lasted

Yep time to plan for the next Ashes now

Jordan's Jacket 16-01-2022 08:49 AM

Crawley should have been persevered with. Out of all the young batsmen he has the best game and technique

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16215353)
Yep time to plan for the next Ashes now

Going forward, spreadsheets on the ready

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:49 AM

Ian Botham stating the obvious now

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16215356)
Crawley should have been persevered with. Out of all the young batsmen he has the best game and technique

Yup agree

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215347)
Plenty of scope to be all out for 120. This is England, after all, renowned for its huge batting scores.

120?????


Didnít put you down as an optimist

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 08:53 AM

Botham telling it like it is.

Showing clips from Headingly '81 and realising it was 40 years ago is frightening

mrB 16-01-2022 08:56 AM

Anyone got a working stream? hesgoal one has changed to football.

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 16215362)
Botham telling it like it is.

Showing clips from Headingly '81 and realising it was 40 years ago is frightening

Lol.

But he was spot on and said exactly what we all here have been saying

bradpitt 16-01-2022 09:30 AM

Here we go

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 09:30 AM

lol

GB2506 16-01-2022 09:30 AM

150 all out incoming

crystaljim 16-01-2022 09:31 AM

Cameron Green has really come of age this test match with his batting and bowling.


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