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Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16215408)
Cameron Green has really come of age this test match with his batting and bowling.

Yep, he looks a fabulous all round cricketer

Olympian2 16-01-2022 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16215408)
Cameron Green has really come of age this test match with his batting and bowling.

Yeah, him & Kyle Jamieson both look like they’re going to be very useful cricketers.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 09:57 AM

That’s an awful shot for Stokes to play when he’s 5no off 15 balls.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 16-01-2022 09:58 AM

**** me Stokes. If you don't hit the ball in the air you cant be caught. o/70 to 4/93. Why play it like a one dayer with two days to play.

CriticalEagle 16-01-2022 09:59 AM

Stokes playing white-ball style when there's more than a day to go :wallbash:

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16215339)
Lol !

I did say ‘should’

Any decent batting outfit with players who are mentally attuned to chasing pretty standard 4th innings totals, should be making a decent fist of this.

However, we are seemingly neither decent or mentally attuned.

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CriticalEagle (Post 16215623)
Stokes playing white-ball style when there's more than a day to go :wallbash:

Just a totally shit attitude and strategy in the circumstances.

Totally shit

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 10:05 AM

SHOCK HORROR ENGLAND SELF-DESTRUCT.
Not.

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 10:09 AM

4 wickets, 24 runs in 11 overs

F’kin abject

JJ 16-01-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CriticalEagle (Post 16215623)
Stokes playing white-ball style when there's more than a day to go :wallbash:

More than two days left - it's only day 3.

davech 16-01-2022 10:19 AM

And so today's rot begins. 4 top-order wickets for 24 runs. And after such a positive start. This is a test match ffs, not bish-bash-bosh. Bottom line is nothing has changed. We still have just one test-class batsman and therein lies the problem. 'Test' mentality and ability simply isn't there and it will take years to address.

Just when we think there might be a glimmer of hope, we pull the rug out from under our own feet (if I may mix my metaphors like that :D). It's just so disappointing, but not unexpected. 271 may have been a very tough ask, but we could have made a better fist of it. Sadly, the Ashes will probably not be coming home in my lifetime. Winning a test would be nice, though.

Golf Boy 16-01-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215634)
I did say ‘should’

Any decent batting outfit with players who are mentally attuned to chasing pretty standard 4th innings totals, should be making a decent fist of this.

However, we are seemingly neither decent or mentally attuned.

Nor is such a 4th total ‘standard’ if we are to believe the historical stats.

stinky 16-01-2022 10:20 AM

Billings and Pope to get 50 each

Nuts 16-01-2022 10:22 AM

**** Joe was stiff there

Levski 16-01-2022 10:22 AM

Root's body language awful there. Just accepting defeat. Poor

Golf Boy 16-01-2022 10:24 AM

Not sure what Root could have done there

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 10:25 AM

When do the one day game starts?

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Golf Boy (Post 16215724)
Not sure what Root could have done there

Was a very good ball

Nuts 16-01-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Levski (Post 16215708)
Root's body language awful there. Just accepting defeat. Poor

Can you please tell us what you think Joe should have done in that instance when he got a grubber

Levski 16-01-2022 10:27 AM

Was a great ball, and nothing he could do, but the look on his face just said 'ok, we as a team just give up'

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16215730)
When do the one day game starts?

Next weekend in the Windies I think. Surprisingly none being played in Aus for once.

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16215766)
Next weekend in the Windies I think. Surprisingly none being played in Aus for once.

:)


Can’t wait for this farce to finish to be honest I think a major cull from back room staff to players is in order

Levski 16-01-2022 10:35 AM

Sums it all up.

bradpitt 16-01-2022 10:39 AM

Words cannot describe how lame that shot was from Billings

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16215789)
:)


Can’t wait for this farce to finish to be honest I think a major cull from back room staff to players is in order

I do like a Windies tour. Beautiful location, fun cricket, and the ideal UK tv schedule.

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 10:43 AM

68-0 to this :D

davech 16-01-2022 10:43 AM

All over today then. Is there an extra half hour to be had if needed?

CriticalEagle 16-01-2022 10:44 AM

Ollie bowled behind his legs, they're into the tail

greybot 16-01-2022 10:45 AM

Car crash

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215347)
Plenty of scope to be all out for 120. This is England, after all, renowned for its huge batting scores.

...

WLYWLYAWYPWF 16-01-2022 10:47 AM

Pathetic

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 10:49 AM

Oh for Botham right now

jmemour 16-01-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by davech (Post 16215807)
All over today then. Is there an extra half hour to be had if needed?


Doubt it will be needed!

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 10:54 AM

:D At that wicket

Sums up how abject we have been

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 10:54 AM

So after this shambolic tour, who do England persevere with in Test cricket ? Bowlers have done well, stay of execution for them, although we need a new spinner (Matt Parkinson for me). As for the rest, looking at the top 6 and keeper, i'd keep :

Crawley, Root, Bairstow, Stokes. Need a new opener with a technique, and a #3. Keeper should be Foakes, but possibly Bairstow or Billings. If its Bairstow, another #6, possibly Pope.

Root aside, the batting is atrocious. This series has been lost by an inability to make any half decent first innings totals. Mind set is dire, too much white ball rubbish.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Golf Boy (Post 16215687)
Nor is such a 4th total ‘standard’ if we are to believe the historical stats.

Exactly this. To imply that 271 was a ‘pretty standard’ 4th innings target…

i) in a D/N Test
ii) in Australia
iii) when Australia have just been bowled out for 155
iv) & it’s still only Day 3

….is absolute nonsense.

WLYWLYAWYPWF 16-01-2022 10:55 AM

This Daniel Norcross twat is unbearable.

bradpitt 16-01-2022 10:55 AM

Thank god it’s over

Nuts 16-01-2022 10:57 AM

That is ******* embarrassing and I’m Australian

Olympian2 16-01-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WLYWLYAWYPWF (Post 16215824)
This Daniel Norcross twat is unbearable.

Yeah, he really is. He’s like the love child of Blowers & Jeremy Clarkson. Last year he was proudly telling anyone who would listen about how his wife had picked his clothes & given him a list of which shirt, trouser & sock combo to wear each day.

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuts (Post 16215826)
That is ******* embarrassing and I’m Australian

Yep, your boys should have won 5-0 :D . Thank goodness for Jimmy

Olympian2 16-01-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215275)
Scoring 270 runs batting last in a Ashes test, is as much in the head as it is in the hands

History & statistics suggest not.

What’s the % of successful 4th innings chases of >270 in Ashes Tests?

ExiledStirling 16-01-2022 11:04 AM

We made a mockery of what is one of the greatest contests in world sport.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215344)
I got evens on Australia to win when Eng were about 50-0. Seemed like a very generous offer.

Still, every cloud….:p

Golf Boy 16-01-2022 11:06 AM

I was on the treadmill this morning rather enjoying our opening partnership.

CriticalEagle 16-01-2022 11:08 AM

England turning "the batting collapse" into an art form :D

0.bj 16-01-2022 11:12 AM

The all-white England certainly showing their racial superiority there, having reached a stage of evolution where no-one has a backbone*.

*Mark Wood excepted (no surprise a bloke with some bollocks went to state school)

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215158)
150 run defeat for England coming up.

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Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 16215342)
Meh. That’s the spirit. At 68 for 0 though a 60% chance of England winning still looks a little high. There’s still a lot of runs to get on this pitch so I’d say it was evens probability.

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Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215347)
Plenty of scope to be all out for 120. This is England, after all, renowned for its huge batting scores.

https://media.giphy.com/media/FOQoso...qAeC/giphy.gif

stevek 16-01-2022 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GB2506 (Post 16215406)
150 all out incoming

Too many bloody optimists on this thread.

LuieJack 16-01-2022 11:18 AM

The least said about this shambolic tour the better, but today's collapse summed up perfectly our spineless players. SACK THE F*****G LOT OF THEM.

GB2506 16-01-2022 11:19 AM

From 68/0 to 124 all out. Even by England’s standards that is ******* impressive.

I thought after the first 3 tests things couldn’t look any bleaker. They have managed to prove me wrong. Absolute shambles, utterly pathetic.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16215852)
The all-white England certainly showing their racial superiority there, having reached a stage of evolution where no-one has a backbone*.

*Mark Wood excepted (no surprise a bloke with some bollocks went to state school)

Although he conceded 115 in the 1st innings at >run/ball…

Aki Aki Aki 16-01-2022 11:20 AM

At least Root didn't start bawling his eyes out.

Cummins comes across as a good bloke, wise appointment by cricket Aus.

0.bj 16-01-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215870)
Although he conceded 115 in the 1st innings at >run/ball…

Not great but even the Aussies said Root bowled him from the wrong end. The spreadsheet must have known better than the locals.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16215872)
Cummins comes across as a good bloke, wise appointment by cricket Aus.

Yeah, he's been very professional. Tougher challenges will come as the Aussies now play loads of Test in Asia (I think) but he hasn't really put a foot wrong, either on or off the field.

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Originally Posted by 0.bj (Post 16215875)
Not great but even the Aussies said Root bowled him from the wrong end. The spreadsheet must have known better than the locals.

:p

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215834)
History & statistics suggest not.

What’s the % of successful 4th innings chases of >270 in Ashes Tests?

Sorry, are you saying that at 68-0, with 2 days left, you shouldn’t expect to chase down another 202?

davech 16-01-2022 11:33 AM

9 wickets for 42 in 18 overs!!!!!!!!!

Call themselves cricketers? They needed a bawling out similar to what we used to get at school from a certain Mr Smith. Made me a better cricketer for sure.

Pathetic.
Embarrassing.
Totally predictable.

Can we leave them all in Tasmania? Being an ignorant pom, all I know about Tasmania is Dame Edna's description, which would seem pretty apt for our shower. Or send them back on the slowest boat available. They could share the rowing duties.

stinky 16-01-2022 11:43 AM

Utterly embarrassing. Heads must roll and a complete reset of County Championship cricket is needed.

RazorsEdge 16-01-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hong_kong_hg (Post 16215347)
Plenty of scope to be all out for 120. This is England, after all, renowned for its huge batting scores.

Got 4 more runs than 120

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215823)
Exactly this. To imply that 271 was a ‘pretty standard’ 4th innings target…

i) in a D/N Test
ii) in Australia
iii) when Australia have just been bowled out for 155
iv) & it’s still only Day 3

….is absolute nonsense.

True.............but it does take a special type of ability (or lack of it) to lose 10 wickets for 56 fecking runs !!:wallbash:

spike 16-01-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16215834)
History & statistics suggest not.

What’s the % of successful 4th innings chases of >270 in Ashes Tests?

In all Tests(W-T-D-L)

Target of 270+.
54-1-262-505

Target of 250-300
33-0-88-60

jmemour 16-01-2022 12:32 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...301c936981.jpg

LOL

Olympian2 16-01-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16215884)
Sorry, are you saying that at 68-0, with 2 days left, you shouldn’t expect to chase down another 202?

Correct.

Feel free to come back with those stats about % successful run chases of 271 in Ashes Tests, and/or Test matches generally.

Olympian2 16-01-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16216024)
Target of 270+.
54-1-262-505

Target of 250-300
33-88-60

Ah, cheers Spike. Can you translate those numbers for me, please, so we can work whether I’m talking bollocks or not?

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216028)
Correct.

Feel free to come back with those stats about % successful run chases of 271 in Ashes Tests, and/or Test matches generally.

Well that’s probably where we’ve got to isn’t it. Expecting us not to be able to score 200 runs in 2 days on a decent pitch. I can tell you something, if it was the other way round the Aussies would have pissed it.

Maiden Eagle 16-01-2022 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216037)
Well that’s probably where we’ve got to isn’t it. Expecting us not to be able to score 200 runs in 2 days on a decent pitch. I can tell you something, if it was the other way round the Aussies would have pissed it.

That's why the Aussies were bowled out for 155, then ? And it wasn't under the lights, either.

Historically in Test matches targets of 250+ are not that often chased down but obviously 68-0 to 124 all out is completely pathetic

spike 16-01-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216031)
Ah, cheers Spike. Can you translate those numbers for me, please, so we can work whether I’m talking bollocks or not?

Sides chasing 250-300 lose twice as much as they win. The draw was never in play here so we can ignore those.
I didn't notice you asked about ashes tests, so these are in all matches

Olympian2 16-01-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spike (Post 16216053)
Sides chasing 250-300 lose twice as much as they win. The draw was never in play here so we can ignore those.
I didn't notice you asked about ashes tests, so these are in all matches

Cool, thanks spike :p

East-End Eagle 16-01-2022 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jmemour (Post 16216025)

I think they need a new parison working the table. Flags and countries all mixed up! Not that is changes England’s woeful state!

Worksop Palace 16-01-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16216052)
That's why the Aussies were bowled out for 155, then ? And it wasn't under the lights, either.

Historically in Test matches targets of 250+ are not that often chased down but obviously 68-0 to 124 all out is completely pathetic

Their mentality would have been different though. 68-0 chasing 270 with 2 days left, they piss it. No doubt.

I haven’t seen all the wickets but I’d bet there was no more than 3 that were won by the quality of the bowling. More that our batsman just simply lack both the technique and mental fortitude to protect their wickets.

art malice 16-01-2022 02:25 PM

Thank fvck that’s over

hong_kong_hg 16-01-2022 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jmemour (Post 16216025)
LOL

The real LOL

https://iili.io/c6sDc7.jpg

desperado 16-01-2022 02:32 PM

The revolving doors on the away team dressing rooms can be removed until the next time we visit

Olympian2 16-01-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216121)
Their mentality would have been different though. 68-0 chasing 270 with 2 days left, they piss it. No doubt.

So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216616)
So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

Also add in the fact, we have a fairly shit record at chasing 4th innings totals, to make the comment even more vacuous.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 08:03 AM

Thanks for the usual bantz lads, sorry about the result.

When we back your way? 2023?

What are the odds, Rooty is still captain and Jimmy & Broady are still in the frame?

Worksop Palace 17-01-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216616)
So your argument has changed from '271 is a standard target for a 4th innings run chase' to 'Australia, at home, would have scored another 202 runs after being 68-0'

Gotcha.

I haven’t checked the average 4th innings run chase total but yes I’d suggest 270 was a fairly standard target. I didn’t say it was an easy target, I said it was a standard target, ie we were not set an unachievable target.

And yes, when you get to 68-0 with 2 and a bit days left on a decent pitch, getting 200 more runs shouldn’t really be much of an issue.

Olympian2 17-01-2022 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216834)
Thanks for the usual bantz lads, sorry about the result.

When we back your way? 2023?

What are the odds, Rooty is still captain and Jimmy & Broady are still in the frame?

Well played, Australia. Congrats to Jim, Bonesy etc.

Absolutely no complaints with the 4-0. I'm still a bit cross that that rain you promised didn't show up - I got 14/1 on the series score being 3-0 :p

No doubt there'll be a post-Tour review to see what went wrong & how we can be stronger next time, just like there has been pretty much every time we've toured down under over the last 30 odd years. Aggers has already published his suggested remedy, no doubt Harrison will give it some thought after he's fixed the racism. Ashley Giles has been unsurprisingly quiet as the cricketing MD :wallbash:

Yep, you're over here next summer by the looks of things. Catch you then :p

Olympian2 17-01-2022 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16216837)
I haven’t checked the average 4th innings run chase total but yes I’d suggest 270 was a fairly standard target. I didn’t say it was an easy target, I said it was a standard target, ie we were not set an unachievable target.

And yes, when you get to 68-0 with 2 and a bit days left on a decent pitch, getting 200 more runs shouldn’t really be much of an issue.

No worries, spike did it for you. 270 is far from standard.

Wolfnipplechips 17-01-2022 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216842)
Well played, Australia. Congrats to Jim, Bonesy etc.

Absolutely no complaints with the 4-0. I'm still a bit cross that that rain you promised didn't show up - I got 14/1 on the series score being 3-0 :p

No doubt there'll be a post-Tour review to see what went wrong & how we can be stronger next time, just like there has been pretty much every time we've toured down under over the last 30 odd years. Aggers has already published his suggested remedy, no doubt Harrison will give it some thought after he's fixed the racism. Ashley Giles has been unsurprisingly quiet as the cricketing MD :wallbash:

Yep, you're over here next summer by the looks of things. Catch you then :p

Doubtful.

LuieJack 17-01-2022 09:25 AM

Surely the powers to be and decision makers dont need convincing after this shambolic tour as to what is now needed to hopefully get back on track.
WE all can clearly see that change has to start with the restructuring of the County game, but also those other mickey mouse competitions that was introduced so as to realise possibly just where one of the main problems stems from, get that right first and then look at sorting out the problems facing England on the pitch.
It should not take too long to implement the new systems, but in the meantime kick start it by getting the replacements for Giles and Silverwood this Spring for starters ,and then take a long hard look at the Team.
Firstly, We all realise areas to focus on which is a priority, then put the focus on encouaging emerging Young talent but also with a mix of experience in the side to offer a better balance. Yes we know it is a major task as the cupboard is fairly bare when it comes to genuine quality, but young players with true ability can be improved on but also crucially able to cope with the pressure of Test match cricket, which will only come with regular playing experience.
This could see us struggle for a year or Two as we get it right, but long term we will have a side to be proud off and return to Australia and wipe those smiles off their faces i seeing our players humilated as we have just experienced.
Now is that not a lovely thought?

desperado 17-01-2022 09:39 AM

England play the West Indies in a three Test series in March

The good news is that they are almost as bad as we are, the bad news is that nothing will have been learned from the Ashes debacle and it will be more of the same for players selected to play

Prince Phillip 17-01-2022 09:45 AM

The re-structuring of County Cricket always flounders on the same course of action. Someone's actually got to go into the dogs' home and administer a lethal injection to cute puppies like Northants, Gloucs & Sussex - because they can't be found a home. No-one's ever done it and no-one ever will.

Olympian2 17-01-2022 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16216916)
The re-structuring of County Cricket always flounders on the same course of action. Someone's actually got to go into the dogs' home and administer a lethal injection to cute puppies like Northants, Gloucs & Sussex - because they can't be found a home. No-one's ever done it and no-one ever will.

Spot on. You can add Derbys, Durham & Leics to that list, too.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16216916)
The re-structuring of County Cricket always flounders on the same course of action. Someone's actually got to go into the dogs' home and administer a lethal injection to cute puppies like Northants, Gloucs & Sussex - because they can't be found a home. No-one's ever done it and no-one ever will.

But the problem has been solved. You just ban Aussies from playing for counties.
The problems solved. Ashes are as good as yours in 2023!

davech 17-01-2022 10:33 AM

So do we need to scrap 'County' cricket and move to elite franchises, a bit like American Rules? A sort of Cricket Premier League, with an elevated 'club' structure below it?

Doesn't immediately solve the problem of the quality of available players, though, but it could give a strucure to enable improvement. The downside is possibly making the 'second tier' an afterthought, but any cricketer worth his salt would hopefully strive to move up?

Play the long format when the weather is best. And leave Bish-Bash-Bosh or, god forbid, The Hundred (:veryangry) to its own league, like the IPL. One or the other, but not both. They only need one day or a few hours.

Does this discussion now belong in the Cricket Thread?

crystaljim 17-01-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by davech (Post 16216974)



Does this discussion now belong in the Cricket Thread?

Nah leave it here and add the final score to the thread title! :p

davech 17-01-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216978)
Nah leave it here and add the final score to the thread title! :p

We will get you lot one day, Jim :D

Olympian2 17-01-2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216973)
But the problem has been solved. You just ban Aussies from playing for counties.
The problems solved. Ashes are as good as yours in 2023!

Behave yourself!


Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16216974)
Does this discussion now belong in the Cricket Thread?

Yes, it does :p

art malice 17-01-2022 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16216980)
We will get you lot one day, Jim :D

Yeah but then blow it in the morning session on the next day.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216982)
Behave yourself!


You have to admit it was the most ludicrous response to a cricket problem ever documented.

Olympian2 17-01-2022 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davech (Post 16216980)
We will get you lot one day, Jim :D

Let's not forget. Australia haven't won an Ashes series over here for over 20 years. India, South Africa (twice), Sri Lanka & New Zealand have all managed it since the Aussies last did... :p

Olympian2 17-01-2022 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216991)
You have to admit it was the most ludicrous response to a cricket problem ever documented.

Yeah, especially as Tom Harrison has decided the answer to all our problems is to beg for our lot to be allowed to play Sheffield Shield :supergrin:

0.bj 17-01-2022 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16217002)
Yeah, especially as Tom Harrison has decided the answer to all our problems is to beg for our lot to be allowed to play Sheffield Shield :supergrin:

Yet when the Aussies decide an Englishman is good enough to play Shield cricket (Matt Parkinson, NSW) the England brains trust algorithmatron disagrees.

crystaljim 17-01-2022 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216998)
Let's not forget. Australia haven't won an Ashes series over here for over 20 years. India, South Africa (twice), Sri Lanka & New Zealand have all managed it since the Aussies last did... :p

Exactly. Until the drawn series in 2019, home advantage was enough for you guys.

Stockport_Eagle 17-01-2022 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216998)
Let's not forget. Australia haven't won an Ashes series over here for over 20 years. India, South Africa (twice), Sri Lanka & New Zealand have all managed it since the Aussies last did... :p

*but are generally competitive - which cannot be said of England in Australia.

All comes down to money. Counties need income and get most income from T20 and other short-forms of the game. The last thing they want is to play T20 in April/May/September as the English climate means more chance of rain....and therefore no such income (a problem less pertinent in the Southern hemisphere perhaps). They want to play the money matches when there's least chance of being rained off. Unfortunatety the English weather cannot be changed and people seem to spend more money at T20.

If you're a 20 year talented cricketer, you must surely be blinded by the bright lights and £££ of the IPL rather then the pat-on-the-back for scoring 12 off 190 balls to save a Test. Announce now that Englands test players will get £1m bonus each for winning in Australia in 2025/26 and it might become more of a priority.

East-End Eagle 17-01-2022 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stockport_Eagle (Post 16217163)
*but are generally competitive - which cannot be said of England in Australia.


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Exactly this. They always give us a good game and win 1 or so per series at least.

ebyeeckeagle 17-01-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216998)
Let's not forget. Australia haven't won an Ashes series over here for over 20 years. India, South Africa (twice), Sri Lanka & New Zealand have all managed it since the Aussies last did... :p

The last 5 series in England.
2-1
2-1
3-0
3-2
2-2.
That suggests a level of competitive spirit and talent lacking from 4 out of our 5 last ventures over there (not a single win). And a couple of the draws were fairly tight affairs!

RazorsEdge 17-01-2022 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16216978)
Nah leave it here and add the final score to the thread title! :p

I asked the thread title to be changed to reflect the score, and the mods kindly done it

I think we have to own this :(

Olympian2 17-01-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16216998)
Let's not forget. Australia haven't won an Ashes series over here for over 20 years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockport_Eagle (Post 16217163)
*but are generally competitive - which cannot be said of England in Australia.

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Originally Posted by East-End Eagle (Post 16217596)
Exactly this. They always give us a good game and win 1 or so per series at least.

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Originally Posted by ebyeeckeagle (Post 16217623)
The last 5 series in England.
2-1
2-1
3-0
3-2
2-2.
That suggests a level of competitive spirit and talent lacking from 4 out of our 5 last ventures over there (not a single win). And a couple of the draws were fairly tight affairs!

You're all completely right, guys. But, jeez - gimme a break - I was just trying to find a single positive in this whole sorry affair :p


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