It is the same thing Red has a dye applied and kookaburra claim it is the same, the players reckon white ball swings more.

I do think it is the mindset in test as you have no pressure of time and take your time in and staying in.

Brad an has scored 300 in a day and I think Shewag came close by scoring 270 something

So basically it is temperament and approach by the batsman and playing positive Cricket nothing different.

I think England might as well trying belting it around then. Can’t be any worse lol.

There’s two outcomes here.

1) England lose a few wickets today and then get finished off early tomorrow.

2) England scrape through today. Some get vague hopes up of breaking all records. Then a huge collapse tomorrow and finished off early.

Option 1 I reckon we have what 25 overs still

Lyon injured or on the naughty step? That's twice he hasn't had a knock :D

I really don't expect us to get anywhere near, but at least make a bloody fight of it. Come on, 250 please at least.

I agree

A lot of harsh criticism for Hameed.

Taken his chance to get form back in county cricket.
Had a half decent summer when recalled to the team.

Has now had to go and play in Australia for the first time with ZERO preparation and no time in the middle.

Dropped :-)

Agreed.

I have a degree of sympathy cos we rarely give him the platform or circumstance to play his natural game.

Not that it’s excused his poor form.

By smith lol

Lbw review

Malan gone

Option 1 coming up fast…

Can't be getting out to that donkey

Lol yes

This, in spades. Some of the comments on here are hugely ignorant.

We need to stick with Hameed for the foreseeable. But he needs some proper coaching and guidance.

Horrible to listen to with a pretty much all Aussie commentary team

I saw this lbw and the one the Aussie earlier got away with. How is Paul reiffel the third umpire?

Covid ? Can’t get enough neutral umps out there ?

I thought the white balls have to be painted rather than dyed, and if T20s and ODIs are anything to go by, they stop swinging after a few overs.

All over.

Quite. But hardly a surprise.

I don’t think his game particularly suits Australia because he keeps his hands quite low.

We’ve not been good enough, but most teams would have had 3 or 4 warm up games prior.

It’s not just like other sports. There’s so much all of the players have to go through to understand conditions abroad.

Strangely, losing Burns really doesn’t alter our chances of winning …..

Aussie folks - why are there so few spectators there?

:rolleyes:

Ouch!

Who'd a thought of all the England bowlers, it would be Root with worst No ball problem! :D

Root out

Yeah of course it wouldn’t.

Brain dead comment:

Lost cause for sure especially now with Root gone, lets hope we can bat for pride and prepare mentally for the next battle. But the problem still exists as what we do with the opening pair as surely we have to accept Hameed needs to sent out to graze, not ideal but maybe Bairstow to open with Burns? as his experience will be needed at the scary Melbourne arena with 100k.

Ffs. Not a good way to end. First one that had gone away from him.

Why does he? Whoever comes in is a sitting duck right now

Option 1 was simpler. It’s all very Carry On Cricketing.

Game taken into the 5th day. The ECB Support Director of Analytics and Performance Monitoring will be typing that into the "plus" column as we speak.

I thought they dyed it, this is pure guess from me and I could be wrong

It was just a little bit of humour Tomo, keep your panties on mate :D

Talking of brain dead, Root was pretty much brain dead right there. Absolutely no need to play that shot.

Don’t forget old Workie has a self proclaimed “wonderful sense of humour.”

Just 386 to win now. The required run-rate is creeping up a bit, though.

50/50 now whether we can do this I reckon.

Imagine in your case his worst crime is being brown?

Oh dear.

Even on the cricket thread.

Have you no shame?

(Rhetorical question…we know the answer)

But that is Test cricket. Really dont understand about giving him the right platform or circumstances? Does that mean the top order have tired out the bowlers and the pitch is set for an easy slog? Sorry, but Test cricket is about playing the game as it is, adapting to the pitch, just playing the ball in front of you. Takes guts and hard work. Buttler just doesnt have either the desire or the ability to adapt and just knuckle down. He is not alone in that. But it's what true Test players do.

So I fear it is not 'form'. This is him. So yes, he will be fine when everything is in the right place for him. (Quite apart from the wider discussion of the lack of preparation and the dominance of the short game)

What an embarrassing comment. Why would you even think that ? You are on ignore now, idiot.

Haha

A small win of course :)

:p

:D

Well seeing as you’ve done nothing but dug him out for the last 3 weeks you can probably forgive me for not realising it was meant to be a joke.

It would have helped if it it was funny as well.

There’s been a few occasions where he has dug out for the good of the team in test cricket.

But I think when you’re picking someone like Butler it’s for the team to be able to put their foot down and accelerate play. Coming in 180-5 when there’s 400 on the board would suggest to me he’s not the biggest problem.

:D

Calm down mate. It wasn’t meant to be an audition for the Fringe.

And yes I have dug him out. Because he’s absolutely shit.

Imagine being a middle manager in an insurance firm and utterly, utterly mediocre at pretty much everything else, spending day after day after day whinging about a Belgian footballer and a cricketer from Banstead who is playing for his country.

Honestly Workshop if they are absolutely shit what does that make you?

:D

Are you 12?

Seriously, don’t bring your pathetic obsession on to the cricket threads. It’s tedious enough when you spout your nonsense and lies on the politics and GCC threads. Don’t ruin these threads as well. No one cares.

Seems you do though.

What ‘appened to your self proclaimed “wonderful sense of humour”?


Don’t bother answering Captain. It’s a rhetorical question.

Go away. Stop ruining decent threads. You’re so dull and obvious.

Imagine coming on a cricket thread on a fans football forum and talking absolutely nonsense about someone you’ve never met and know nothing about.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

:D

PS Get your own material, if you can manage that :p

I mean this in the nicest way, but do **** off with this tedious shit you two.

Totally agree mate.

I’ve asked him to do the same.

On the cricket thread ffs

Tedious is spot on.

I’ll ignore from now on.

Oh I certainly don't believe he is the biggest problem. But he is one of them. Whilst acceleration is needed at times in some games, very often the reality is that is not possible. That's when a different mindset is needed. In the short game, you just play the same way pretty much every time and essentially always look to be positive. That mindset has worked really well in the white ball squad. I just think some struggle to adjust maybe?

Generally I still think it was a big ask for these players with such lack of preparation. But that doesnt excuse some of the shocking decisions made.

The Ashes series in one easy picture.

https://iili.io/7LMCYB.md.jpg

:D

Sums it up beautifully

I see Sam Billings is in form playing in the Big Bash. Get Kent's finest in the team to keep and captain :p

We need a few players with some balls to stand up to the Aussies.

Totally agree with you.

I found something on BBC from about 2010 that claimed that the dying process is the same for both, but that the white ball has a harder covering as it gets discoloured far more. I guess this is why ODIs used to recondition the balls after 35 overs.

Every time you get called out on your nonsense you turn it on the person who’s called you out.

You’ve spent 3 weeks calling him shit. He grafted hard this afternoon yet you can bring nothing to the conversation apart from digging him out, then trying to claim it was a joke.

Anyway. I’m not going to converse any further cos there’s enough threads with you being the centre of attention.

It’s not just about accelerating but taking the game away. He’s been picked to do that job.
The problem is we never give him the opportunity to:

I think he’s shown he can do it, but his head is currently completely scrambled. While most of the squad haven’t played anywhere near enough cricket, he’s played far too much.

But I think Stokes and Root aside, none of our side have realised the importance of taking time to get settled and earn your runs.

None of the batsmen seem to have understood how to leave the ball in Australia yet, but that was only going to come from experience or playing out in the middle. It’s hardly a surprise the 3 best batsmen we’ve had out there have all played games in Aus.


There’s a few players tomorrow who are really going to have to show their mettle tomorrow: if you get a ball then there’s not much to be done, but australia need to be made to work for every wicket.

I genuinely don't know the answer tbh.
Perhaps Christmas shopping seeing as we haven't been out as much (lockdown)as you folk in the UK.
Maybe the contest isn't as close as people would like and would prefer to spend/save money for something else.
Really not sure Olympian, it could be a combination of a lot of things. It's been tough for everyone world wide both financially and mentally. Maybe they don't want to be in that close a proximity for fear of Covid. Dunno, but Adelaide are notoriously solid supporters of Test match cricket.

I only say sue as many years ago I read about it and it was in back of my head.

The spectators haven't come in numbers because we're facing a surge in covid cases and nobody wants to have to isolate for Christmas (7 days if vac, 14 if not)

Our summer holidays also falls around this time so everyone planning a holiday is not risking it. Other states require a negative result before you cross the state borders.

I think we'll find numbers increase after the boxing day test in Melbourne.

What is going on? No one watching this.

Well I must be only mug then haha

What's the point of watching any more of this series ? It's groundhog day every test match.

I’m watching.

Didn’t bother to see the first session.

I'm a Kent fan and I find the idea of Billings playing test cricket an unpleasant one

Buttler certainly owes the team an innings

Obviously there's no way we'll save the test, but nice to see a bit of fight and improvement. Who knows, by the final test we might actually be competitive.

Just as I allowed myself some hope :(

No worse than what we currently have.

If nothing else this innings shows that England can dig in if needed. Also a stat just put up is that Australia have one every D/N test in Adelaide.

Appreciate the sentiment but England needed to dig in during the last Test. They didn't.

There a few that do tbh.

Says everything when 175-7 is seen as ‘digging in’

Spoiler alert! I'm watching it live & we're 173-7....

So weird the ground’s virtually empty

:D

I was just rounding up. Even England can get two more runs before they lose 3 more wickets……. Surely….

Day 5 crowds in Australia are never great.

It's also the Monday before Christmas. Holidays start for most people with kids Christmas eve.

If its any consolation, we don't have a good track record recently at bowling teams out on the 5th day.

You won’t have much issue with that today :D

Anyone know what time can they play until tonight?

Not sure. But they are unlikely to need to claim the extra half hour

Butlers earned the right to hit out and chase the win now.

:D. Thanks for the optimism Jim, but the fat lady is clearing her throat.....

Steve Finn : England have shown a lot of bottle. The batters have negotiated what's thrown at them, breaking it down into smaller bitesize pieces. Australia expected England to just roll over and they haven't. The dressing room language will always be about going out and breaking a record or doing something special.

We're 180 for ******* 8, not 220-1.........

He is desperately scratching around for positives where there are none.

Absolutely.

Pathetic. What a low point we’ve reached when 180-8 is seen as a good performance.

Tragic

Today just makes it all the more frustrating and irritating. First or Second innings, two or three more partnerships of an hour or so and the draw was easily achievable. England just can't bat when the pressure's on. The problems are all between their ears.

At least we finally seeing a test inninigs worthy of the situation from Buttler. Perhaps he can bat a bit.

What a way to get out.

Indeed, still not a test batsman and definitely not a wicket keeper

Sums up our series.

Not even playing a shot, but setting off for a run.

Agree. And I think this is a general problem with a lot of English / British / UK sportspeople.