Don’t fly to Israel
Oh wait a minute you can’t at the moment

I used to fly out of Antwerp airport frequently (large Hasidic community - diamond trade) and I can concur. Absolute nightmare, further complicated in the overhead locker space annoyance with numerous hat boxes.
I often watched them shuckling before and during the flight and mused that maybe they thought enough praying would preclude them of any danger and therefore all the standing up shenanigans was perfectly safe.

Flew on a red-eye from New York to London one time.

Plane was full of them. I believe they were English and had been to some sort of conference in NY.

And yes, their behavior was to me, who had never seen this sort of stuff before, very bizarre, and my wife is Jewish and I've been to a lot of Jewish religious ceremonies - but obviously very reformed ones judging by this experience.

As CT says the whole top hat in boxes in the bins was comical, and it was the first time I had seen the little leather box thing being put on their heads and leather straps wrapped around their arms.

What I found scary was they all seemed to jump up and do this at once... I believe it was to coincide with the sun-rise. As a novice at seeing this, it did cross my mind that they were some sort of terrorist cult who were working themselves up into a frenzy to take over the plane!

Completely agree.

That couple near me with 6 bags actually took up two whole luggage bins.

Yep:frown:

Which airline is this so I can avoid ?

United Airlines, and don't get me started on them...

Oh go on then. My booked trip was Sydney-San Francisco-Sacramento. Then I was getting the train from Sac to San Jose, and finally the flight back was San Fran to Sydney. All flights with United.

First off UA cancelled the SF to Sac flight; not that much of a biggie, so I just arranged to get the train to Sac instead.

Then, on the Sunday evening, the day before the Syd-SF flight for which I was already checked in, UA texted me to say that flight had now been cancelled too, so they'd rebooked me on a Syd to LA flight, with then a transfer flight from LA to SF (which was useless to me, as it was Sacramento I was going to).

In the same communication, UA also advised that the Syd-LA flight was already delayed by 4 hours due to the crew not having enough rest. So I couldn't have made the LA-SF connection they'd booked me on anyway, because at LA I'd have to go through Customs / Immigration, collect my luggage, go to a different terminal and check in again. That wouldn't work, so I just booked a separate flight with a different airline from LA to Sac which worked fine for me for timings, by if course was added expense.

This all happened on the Sunday evening, when I couldn't call the travel agent, nor UA, whose number was unavailable. Except when I checked my bag in for the LA flight, they told me that if I didn't get on the LA-SF flight, it might affect my flight home to Syd, as a no-show would make them cancel the whole booking. They couldn't take me off the LA-SF flight at the airport, instead I would have to find the UA people at LA and get them to do it, thus adding even more time. I explained that wouldn't work, so I then had to spend 50 minutes on the phone to UA, while still waiting at the departure gate, so they could effectively cancel the existing booking (the first flight of which I was about to board) and then re-book me for just SYD-LA and SF-Syd. She told me she thought she could do it, but that was a bloody stressful call! Luckily, she managed to do it.

The 50 minute delay for the flight home today was small beer by comparison.

So in a nutshell, UA cancelled 2 of the 3 flights I'd originally booked, delayed the 3rd a bit, delayed the rebooked flight to another destination by >4 hours, and booked me on a useless connection which I had no chance of making.

I will never fly with them again unless I really have no alternative. Should have known with a name like that they'd be wankers.

Glad you asked? :D

Yes love listening to others travel misery, makes me feel not alone :)

But then when you get the selfish behaviour ON TOP of this, that’s when I get my air rage hat on ( I don’t store it in the overhead bin before you ask)

It is hilarious.

Would love to see that :)

Happened on my last trip back, loads of Spanish getting banged with it, ******* brilliant.

Could they just say they are not going to pay? Flights over, what are the crew going to do?

Would love if all the airlines did this. Also getting up before the belt sign goes off gets another fine.

One guy did and got very arsey, police/security arrived and escorted him away.

Facebook adverts.

And, rather than the normal complaint, specifically Facebook ads for something you decide you actually want, but then when you click on it that product is not available.

I have found that with trainers adverts. They advertise brands at great prices, then you find that they are childs sizes.

You could have stopped at United Airlines.
Consistently the worst airline ever.
If you can be bothered (I wouldn't bother tbh) to check back to Dec on this thread, you'll find a similar United Airlines catalogue of failures to provide any sort of reasonable service that resembles a professional, global, airline.

I remember reading that. UAL and BA used to be good, both now gone down.

Surprisingly, AA has gone up and last time I used them I was genuinely surprised

Scalextric with the Ford Cosworth ?

Getting up when the plane is still taxing to apron is the hardest to police and if you fall and injure, it goes down as an accident and some serious paperwork for the crew to complete.

They normally cover their backsides by saying I asked and announcements were made and the walking freight did not listen, blah blah blah

With regards to the fine for carry on bags, I am sure the rest of the airline will bring it in, only matter of time

If I was a pilot I would do an emergency stop every time. That’ll soon learn em

There seem to be so many scam adverts. A pallet of tools for 49.99 A motorbike HUD for 29.99. Or I’m my case a back pack for 29.99 and nothing sent. With a bit of digging is all a scam. Facebook don’t want to know coz they get advertising revenue. I simply charged back with the credit card company. But only because I knew how. Most would simply let it drop. Face book has a lot to answer for on this kind of shite

It's done at boarding, don’t pay don’t get on

Still Thxis and their insane brains. 'Educated' to believe they are perfect, but yet they are actually morally bankrupt. Never stop lying , scamming and stealing, but believe in their insane state that everything they say is true. Believe they can do no wrong, believe they are supremely intelligent on everything yet have the IQ of a doughnut and know nothing at all. Believe foreigners are stupid, worthless and beneath them.
Believe that if you stand up for yourself or raise your voice when you've had enough of trying to reason with insanity that you are evil.
All followed by sycophantic and sociopathic bowing and fake smiles or insane laughing believing that makes them kind people.
Why the xxxx did I ever have to meet one ?
Apologies to the couple of percent that aren't like this.

Now we know who the arsonist is.
Been doing this for at least a week from 8pm.
Still doing it - the twat.
https://www.cpfc.org/forums/attachme...1&d=1680032141

You have to be impressed by their staff training courses though. I mean it takes something to make so many people so ******* rude and uncaring.

I take it things aren't going too well at the moment, I hope they reach a solution soon.

Thanks. It's been shitty for about 8 years or so now. The only solution is to leave and walk away from 2 kids. Not sure I can do that. Although it won't be much different as I virtually never see them due to the insane freaks anyway.

Part of Croydon becoming an area of natural beauty…..

The invented admin my boss comes up with to make herself feel like she's in control.

That's outstanding natural beauty to you.

Tim Fearon talking about rubber dingy migrants as the most vulnerable people in the world. Try having mental health problems and sleeping on the streets of London.

Does it have to be a competition?

Apparently does when you are talking about migrants.

Lol.

I hear the passengers on the first class seats on these rubber dingy's often get extra legroom, a wider seat with a more exaggerated recline, a blanket and a pillow, a plush amenity kit, beverage service that includes alcohol, food, the whole shebang. Then they reach landfall, get lounge access.

No wonder these migrants, risk everything for a ride on these boats, by leaving everything behind like their houses, loved one's, risk their own lives just to be on the jolly rubber dingy

Well according to an overprivileged twat, yes. There are many in a much worse position who will not get a roof over their heads or somewhere safe to escape the abuse they receive on a daily basis. For some reason the homeless on our streets have no rights and no one standing up for them. Most die relatively young with little support from politicians or smart arsed posters. I despair how invisible they and their plight are.

This is nonsense.

Absolutely no-one. https://www.bigissue.com/news/housin...ess-in-the-uk/

Why would that annoy you?

What about rubber dingy migrants who then become homeless street dwellers with mental issues.

Maybe like this...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64046726

This happened once on a flight to Lisbon. Not sure if the pilot did it on purpose but the couple of passengers standing up flew a couple of aisles. Lesson learnt

Why's he left home?

If you had read the article, you would know.

Which illustrates beautifully the shallow thinking of many Brits towards immigration and immigrants; everyone has an opinion but can’t be bothered to deal with the details.

And that annoys me.

That was said tongue in cheek and it is clear you have not been there for some time

Everything annoys you. Wonder why the life expectancy of those on the streets is so high yet government after government does so little to help them? Perhaps because they cannot vote?

They can vote if they wish. Me, I wish you cared about facts.

Yeah I fully read it .... you tell me why?

In that case you haven't read it fully.

My wife and I got chatting to a nice British lady walking her dog in the park today.After a few minutes she revealed she was from……a seaside town south of Haywards Heath. Oh well, another good walk spoiled.

I've seen that the part of Croydon in question is Farthing Downs. How could that annoy anyone?

Old Coulsdon is in Croydon now ?

It's only taken them 41 years to smarten the place up since we left there. We weren't that bad.

Having to pay around 40 quid as a bribe to have my car pass the MOT emissions test.

(first a local garage and next a full up KIA dealership/service centre both tested the emissions and found nothing wrong. Take the car to the MOT centre and surprise surprise (not!) it fails.)

Not really annoying, more a head-scratcher, but a high percentage of people I meet here that are from England are from Nottingham!

Strikes me as there can't be many people left there, as they are all over here!

Yeah I have ... you tell me why he's there?

I would suggest probably not.

That may be true, and I wasn't best impressed with the decline in Croydon that I saw 8 years back.

However, your post was a cliched cheap dig, and it totally ignored that the news was a positive thing for a borough that could probably do with more good news like this.

Ya know, if we want to discuss clarity.

Correction.

He has chosen not to understand it.

OR

worse

He is suggesting that all these migrants should have stayed exactly where they were in the first place. But he wants someone else to actually say that.

Yes. Since 1965.

You’re probably right. But I still think that he should read it properly and then he would find the answer to his question.

:eek:

So why did he leave again?

You want spoon-feeding? Fifth para.

So you cannot find a justification for him the be in America then?
That's all you guys have !

What gives him a right to become an illegal migrant to the US? BTW just wanting to follow other illegal migrants who may or may not be related to him isn't allowed in international law.

Mr Reyes, a Venezuelan, is far from alone. Around him, dozens of other migrants were huddled in small groups within two blocks of El Paso's downtown core, including women and young children left sleeping rough in temperatures that dip to below zero at night

MIGRANT ... not refugee..

I really don't see any point Peter H feels he has by posting the link? .... something about mental issues when the link has none?
Really his only reason for leaving is he wants to .... fair enough but the US public also have a right to say thanks but there are borders and rules in place !

The ONLY detail was Me want do what Me want do ..... deep stuff not too hard to spot and not very popular with US or UK voters after piss taking costs and numbers with no end!

Idiot !

Worse .... oh dear!


I understand he wants to go to the US ..... do you understand he doesn't just get that right?

After all of these posts you still do not either understand the question you asked or the answers that you got?


And you still call others idiots?

You had no points to make.... shit for brains you made no point!

Laughable crap!

I didn't say I had 'made a point', you complete moron.


I was simply directing you to the answer to your question.

Jeez. Any excuse for a BBS argument.

Like anybody needed help .... other then why the link was posted!

you complete buffoon! ;)

That's a lot of questions for someone who says he doesn't need any help. And - quite remarkably - you still need help.

Set you up nicely .... pompous and predictable!

http://media.tenor.com/lR3y7k3OIzEAA...click-bait.gif

Ah, the AfB defence, so soon.

Oh, yes. You set me up with your incessant, ignorant, illiterate questions. Cunning plan, Baldrick.

Yeah right!

What gives you the right to stop him?

What is this 'international law' you have mentioned?

As Maz and I immediately gauged, your post was directly related to you being annoyed by illegal migrants. It would suggest that problem lies somewhere deep
within yourself.

Maybe the chap will have an epithany, realise that you (and others) are aggravated by this, and turn around and walk back.

Really...point me to where I say that?
I'm annoyed by your pointless post!

You don't believe in Law ... borders .... countries....democracy obviously out too!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Che-Guevara...03150315&psc=1

And FWIW, it is not that short a step for people that get annoyed by illegal migrants, and want drastic action taken, to also get annoyed by homeless people with mental issues.

After all, one is neither a migrant or a homeless person, and if I can pull myself up by my braces then so should these types.

A touch of humanity and an understanding of what is happening in other places tends to help.

Nope, I don't believe there is an International Law as you posted as fact.

Countries have their own laws, and there is an international law that protects refugees (supposedly).

He's not a refugee .... he just fancies bumming it to the US!
No International law says he can just do that !

Why are you annoyed by my posts. I am not in the least vexed by any of yours?

They have served to show you up as rabidly anti-immigrant, and underlines the main reason you voted Brexit. Your original post is not at all pointless because it has done the BBS a service. We can ignore any other bluff and blunder from you on the Brexit thread. Any pretence at neutrality or playing devil's advocate can be dispensed with at once.

Thanks for that.

No International Law says he can't do that, which is another point you seem unable to grasp.

You nob

He fancies bumming it to The USA, what's it got to do with you?

Are you twelve?

No it's national law obviously... the post and link in it ..... Laughable !

Anyhoo, I am retiring for this evening. I will allow my tag team partner Mr Maztastic to take over for the early shift tomorrow.

Your views are!
Simplistic BS !
No wonder S America is left-wing right-wing ****ed from top to bottom.... God it suits you!

If it's 'national law obviously' why do you keep mentioning International Law?

You could google it and see if you can come up with some answers that back up your inability to post the things that you are confused about.

At least make an effort.

Yeah what a winning team!

You complete plum!

You have little idea of what my views are. What they aren't about is demonising people who are just looking for a better life.

Have you looked at the declining UK lately, or are you too busy in that everyday bubble to notice?

How's the Nisasn Bluebird? At a push, how many illegal immigrants do you think you could squeeze in? Granted, you'd have to clear out your bedding/camp stove/washbag/clothes and prtable telly to make room first.

Compared to your backyard!
Nobody is being demonized by national borders and immigration rules ... of course your country did allow anybody in .... particularly Nazis !

Go feed the goats! Zzzzzzzzz

Breaking News shocker. Auld enemies Maz and Petey unite in attack against common foe Exile. Hours later they fall out. All over whether to book a one star or five star, three hour special hotel stay. After a day or two of contemplation and attacking the source of the story they go hell and leather at each other on the "what did you have for breakfast thread." Peter's rice and beans is ridiculed by Maz who claims Caviar and champers is the brekko of champions. 92 pages later.