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saxoneagle 12-01-2009 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by pauldrulez
I was wrong.

I called an Asante INT TD. Not far wrong though.

So, who would you rather have. Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning....

I swear I was the only one that said I would rather have Rivers.

Yes, and you also want Sproles...

jj62255 12-01-2009 02:14 AM

:lux: :lux: :lux:

Finally the offense worked, good to see they stuck to the same game plan as against the Browns, even though Arians said it was a one-off. Great defense as usual and another sub 300 yard to the opponent. No turnovers and Willie Parker back to his best. Fair play to the Chargers though, coming back from 4-8 to get this far is no mean feat, and had it not been for that suberb 3rd quarter it would have been quite a different game.

Bring on the Ratbirds :lux:

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 10:08 AM

I thought the Steelers looked impressive.

A running game and Big Ben playing well.

Chargers defense looked shocking though, couldn’t do anything, Rivers must be gutted, he looked good but just didn’t get a chance really. The third quarter was mad, one snap for the Chargers wasn’t it?

Should be another epic battle versus the Ravens next Sunday. Just hoping the Ravens haven’t had one battle too many, think the extra week the Steelers had and the fact that last night was a relative stroll for their defense might give them the edge.

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by jj62255
:lux: :lux: :lux:

Bring on the Ratbirds :lux:

Oi I missed that comment.

ardeo 12-01-2009 10:46 AM

Rivers looked good (from the highlights) but his defence definitely let him down. Can't imagine Ravens Steelers being a classic, where as Cardinal Eagles might just be!

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 11:20 AM

Ravens vs Cardinals Superbowl.

I cant see the Steelers running the ball on the Ravens, and Ed Reed is a bit different to the San Diego Secondary which has been average without Merriman's pass rush.

Cards can stop Westbrook. I also think their Secondary will deal with Jackson and Curtis pretty well.

Eagles will have to stop the run first and foremost. Put Fitzgerald in Double, even Triple Coverage to force Warner to throw to Breaston and the two tight ends if Boldin is unavailable.

The best part.

The Patriots have 5 picks in the Top 100 of the draft with more coming from a Cassel trade :lux: Be scared NFL. TEB is coming back and he is going to be pissed.

And we move up to 23 from 24 with either the Cards or Eagles (with better records) going to the Superbowl and forfeiting their draft position. :lux:

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 11:22 AM

I think Ravens-Steelers could be a classic, but it will probably be a defensive classic.

Ben (as commentators seem to insist on calling him) looked great last night.

Am really looking forward to next weekend. It's an exciting time as you start to see how the Super Bowl storylines might work out (e.g. all Pennsylvania SB, Whisenhunt vs Tomlin, Philly's resurgence since losing to Baltimore, etc.).

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:17 PM

Don't like Rivers, so delighted to see the Chargers lose.
Don't like any New York sports team (although the Mets I can live with), so delighted to see the Giants lose.

And now it really is wide open. Say what you like about the Play-offs being strange without Brady or Manning, I think it's really refreshing to have two Championship games that won't feature the Pats or the Colts.

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by pauldrulez
The Patriots have 5 picks in the Top 100 of the draft with more coming from a Cassel trade :lux: Be scared NFL. TEB is coming back and he is going to be pissed.

If Cassel is traded it'll be long after the draft.

And I maintain that no-one is going to give up a first rounder for a guy who would be on eight figures for one decent season.

Derek Anderson says hi. (With a tear in his eye.)

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Quick Kick.

Not as Good as Cassel who lead the Regular Season in Punting Average.

One Punt, in the wind vs. Buffalo. Travelled 57 yards to the Buffalo one where it was downed by Welker.

Except the Steelers done it on 4th down and the Pats done it on 3rd down.

Can I propose that after the Super Bowl we implement a one month ban on willy waving?

jj62255 12-01-2009 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by AddiscombeEagle
Oi I missed that comment.

Sorry, got a bit carried away last night :)

But what a game this is going to be. These teams really hate eachother with a passsion, and after the Browns meltdown in recent years, the Ravens, who of course are the 'old' Browns, are without doubt the team the Steelers want to beat the most and vice versa i'm sure.

The Ravens really have a thing to prove, the last thing they want, is to go 0-3 against Pittsburgh this season, least of all in the championship game. However they did look pretty banged up against the Titans with lots of injuries, so the bye is definately going to benefit the Steelers. Can't wait :lux:

jazman 12-01-2009 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle
No way all four road teams win this weekend. It has never happened since the play-offs went to this format.

P.S. Sorry to all the Philly fans, but I really like the Giants to win tonight. No way the Eagles can play that well two weeks running.

A bit of a Paul moment which I apologise for but I was almost right about all four road teams winning. Spot on about the Eagles beating the Giants though .. ;) :p

nookiebear 12-01-2009 01:52 PM

Hello everyone

What a cracking weekend. Watched all the games, and all I can say is wow.

Now, we've discussed on here which teams we like and dislike, and I said I find everything about the Cardinals boring (kit, logo, location, etc)

But there is nothing boring about how they're playing football in the play-offs.

And when the Chargers went the length of the field on their opening drive and scored I thought it was going to be a close game, but the Steelers looked awesome

I think the Steelers will win it all now. I don't think the Ravens have enough on offense to stop em. I have a feeling that game will be very low scoring. Big Ben will take a pounding from the Ravens D but they'll do enough to squeeze through. It'll be a Special Teams and Field Goal epic, I think.

I think the Eagles will beat the Cardinals, unfortunately.

nookiebear 12-01-2009 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Don't like any New York sports team (although the Mets I can live with), so delighted to see the Giants lose.

Out of the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants, the Giants offend me the least. I'd have rather they'd beaten the Eagles, to be honest, but this season again proves why the NFL rocks.

Anyone can win it. Well, maybe not Detroit :D

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 02:03 PM

We had the possibility, before last night, of an 8-8 team and a 9-7 team hosting Championship matches.

How is that good for the NFL, promoting mediocrity?

I don't care who wins in the AFC but I hope the Eagles pound the Cardinals.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by jazman
A bit of a Paul moment which I apologise for but I was almost right about all four road teams winning. Spot on about the Eagles beating the Giants though .. ;) :p

I can't be right all the time.

Or any of the time if I'm truly honest. :cool:

nookiebear 12-01-2009 02:09 PM

Just emailed the same thing to Ben :)

Teams like the Skins and Saints finished 8&8 and bottom of their divisions

As a Redskins fan, I sometimes wish the team was based near Washington, Seattle, as we'd walk that division :)

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by saxoneagle
We had the possibility, before last night, of an 8-8 team and a 9-7 team hosting Championship matches.

How is that good for the NFL, promoting mediocrity?

There was nothing mediocre about any of the games at the weekend. Even watching Jake Delhomme self-destruct on his birthday was compulsive viewing.

Be great if next weekend is the same.

I'm not missing the big names one iota.

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 02:32 PM

Watching the Steelers game, the Commentator said something I didn’t catch concerning something I didn’t know.

I think he said something along the lines of you can’t stop the clock by running out of play until the last five minutes of each half. Can someone confirm that for me please?

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 03:02 PM

Good read this.

Supports my theory that much of Cassel's success has been a direct result of the excellent system built for him by Belichick and McDaniels. I still think he might get found out elsewhere.

Interesting Unconventional Stat: Air Yards & CP10

by GatorPhan on Jan 10, 2009 11:14 PM EST
I recently stumbled across a very interesting new stat at Advanced NFL NFL Stats (via Smart Football – Analysis and Strategy by Chris) that really struck a chord with me due to our QB conversation, and all of the people calling for Chad Henne to replace Chad Pennington due to the fact that he cannot get the ball down the field. It is a concept I am surprised was not the original way to do things in the first place. It addresses a question many people have probably asked themselves: Why in the world does a quarterback get credit for a 60 yard pass if he just dumps it to his RB, and the RB makes an amazing play to get up the field?

Granted, a smart pass from a QB can lead a receiver to be able to create the YAC- but ignoring the difference between yards actually thrown in the air, and YAC can lead to some misleading numbers. The article demonstrates the case of 2 QBs. Both QBs had just over 7 yards per completion, and both had a stellar QB rating of 95. One was Peyton Manning, and the other was Tavares Jackson. Obviously there was something wrong here. Air Yards aim to bring this disparity from the normal stats to the surface. Air Yards, simply put, measure the distance the ball actually traveled in the air from the line of scrimmage to the receiver.
What really interested me though was when I looked at the "Air Yards" rankings A-NFL-S had compiled. If you had to guess which QBs had the most "Air Yards" in the NFL, who do you think it would be? Probably some rocket armed QB, like Brett Farve. Nope. Maybe it was Drew Brees, who nearly eclipsed Dan Marino’s single season passing yards record? Think again. Surely the Dolphins own "noodle armed" QB Chad Pennington didn’t come near the top of the list right? All he does is dump it off and let our shifty receivers get up the field for him right?
Surprisingly, he was the #5 QB in the league in gaining "Air Yards" behind Jake DelHomme, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Aaron Rodgers. He is just ahead of Sage Rosenfels, Jay Cutler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, and Drew Brees to round out the top ten. Pretty spectacular.
Of Chad Pennington’s 3,653 passing yards, 1,546 were yards gained after the catch. That means 2,107 yards were all CP and his arm. Given his 476 (regular season) attempts, that means he gained about 4.43 Air Yards per attempt. If the QBs were rated by that stat, he would fall one spot to 6th. The percentage of his yards after catch compared to total yards is 42.3%- which ranks him the #10 QB for AY by percentage. Looks like no matter how you slice it, Chad threw the ball further threw the air than all but a hand full of QBs, and really did not receive that much help from his receivers.
For a comparison to the "traditional stats"- Chad Pennington was the #9 QB in passing yards- behind Brees, Warner, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Cassel. Only Rivers, and Rodgers beat him in Air Yards.
The biggest disparity in stats is with Matt Cassel. In fact, Matt Cassel was the THIRTY SEVENTH ranked QB in AY. He is DEAD LAST in percentage of yards gained after the catch (57% of his 3,693 yards were gained after the catch).
Other QBs joining him at the bottom of the list: JT O’Sullivan, Jason Campbell, Brett the Jet Favre, JP Losman, and Seneca Wallace. Not exactly great company there. The QBs with the lowest AY in ’07 included Brodie Croyle, Joey Harrington, Brett Farve, JP Losman, and our own Cleo Lemon. The "class of ‘06" has such stars as Brett Farve, Mark Brunell, David Carr, and Alex Smith.
Now this doesn’t prove anything, but I’d say it gives us at least a hint that the Patriots have a brilliant system, and furthermore, that Matt Cassel sucks- and will probably be terrible with the next team that picks him up.
And as you could see, the man the Jets dumped Chad for was at the bottom of the list for the past 3 years. For all the talk of opening up the field, his cannon arm, etc- this is how he did this year: 1,779 of his 3,472 yards were after the catch- which equates to 3.2 AY/Attempt, or 51% of his total passing yardage. So how did that work for you? Maybe Laverneus Coles wasn’t just being spiteful when he said the ball machine threw a harder pass.
So how many of you out there would have guessed Chad Pennington was in the top 10 for every single category that measures how far the ball actually travels from the line of scrimmage, and the #5 overall? I’d say old "noodle arm" has acquitted himself pretty well. Maybe we have a stronger case for getting that big time #1 receiver than I thought. . .
Check out the full chart- as per Advanced NFL Statistics below (with a few added columns- see http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009...ards-2008.html for the original):

Rank QB Total Yards YAC Air Yards YAC % Air Yards % Air Yards/Attempt 1 Jake Delhomme 3288 1269 2019 38.59% 61.41% 4.9 2 Matt Ryan 3440 1404 2036 40.81% 59.19% 4.7 3 Phillip Rivers 4009 1840 2169 45.90% 54.10% 4.5 4 Aaron Rodgers 4038 1652 2386 40.91% 59.09% 4.5 5 Chad Pennington 3653 1546 2107 42.32% 57.68% 4.4 6 Sage Rosenfels 1431 664 767 46.40% 53.60% 4.4 7 Jay Cutler 4526 1881 2645 41.56% 58.44% 4.3 8 Peyton Manning 4002 1627 2375 40.65% 59.35% 4.3 9 Eli Manning 3238 1220 2018 37.68% 62.32% 4.2 10 Drew Brees 5069 2398 2671 47.31% 52.69% 4.2 11 Tony Romo 3448 1578 1870 45.77% 54.23% 4.2 12 Matt Schaub 3043 1470 1573 48.31% 51.69% 4.1 13 Ben Roethlisberger 3301 1368 1933 41.44% 58.56% 4.1 14 Kurt Warner 4583 2173 2410 47.41% 52.59% 4.0 15 Shaun Hill 2046 895 1151 43.74% 56.26% 4.0 16 David Garrard 3620 1494 2126 41.27% 58.73% 4.0 17 Jeff Garcia 2712 1248 1464 46.02% 53.98% 3.9 18 Trent Edwards 2699 1266 1433 46.91% 53.09% 3.8 19 Dan Orlovsky 1616 652 964 40.35% 59.65% 3.8 20 Gus Frerotte 2157 1023 1134 47.43% 52.57% 3.8 21 Tavares Jackson 1056 502 554 47.54% 52.46% 3.8 22 Donovan McNabb 3916 1805 2111 46.09% 53.91% 3.7 23 Matt hasselbeck 1216 451 765 37.09% 62.91% 3.7 24 J.T. O'Sullivan 1678 887 791 52.86% 47.14% 3.7 25 Joe Flacco 2971 1433 1538 48.23% 51.77% 3.6 26 Tyler Thigpen 2608 1101 1507 42.22% 57.78% 3.6 27 JaMarcus Russell 2423 1143 1280 47.17% 52.83% 3.6 28 Kerry Collins 2676 1292 1384 48.28% 51.72% 3.5 29 Kyle Orton 2972 1450 1522 48.79% 51.21% 3.3 30 Brett Favre 3472 1779 1693 51.24% 48.76% 3.3 31 Brady Quinn 518 230 288 44.40% 55.60% 3.2 32 Seneca Wallace 1532 755 777 49.28% 50.72% 3.2 33 Brian Griese 1073 488 585 45.48% 54.52% 3.2 34 Derek Anderon 1615 724 891 44.83% 55.17% 3.1 35 Marc Bulger 2720 1336 1384 49.12% 50.88% 3.1 36 Jason Campbell 3245 1686 1559 51.96% 48.04% 3.1 37 Matt Cassell 3693 2116 1577 57.30% 42.70% 3.1 38 Carson Palmer 731 358 373 48.97% 51.03% 2.9 39 Ryan Fitzpatrick 1905 848 1057 44.51% 55.49% 2.8 40 J.P. Losman 584 294 290 50.34% 49.66% 2.8

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