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pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle
No way all four road teams win this weekend. It has never happened since the play-offs went to this format.

;)

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile 11-01-2009 10:20 PM

Yeeeeeessssssss!!!!!! First the Cowgirls and now the G'Men!!!!!:lux: :lux: :cool:

ardeo 11-01-2009 10:23 PM

Without doubt we are now the 2nd best team in the NFC East (after the Redskins :() :D

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:23 PM

Before the next game, the latest news on the Matt Cassel situation.

Rumours are that Minnesota would offer a long term contract with $30m guaranteed. As well as a 1st and 2nd round pick to the Patriots.

I personally would take a 1st and 5th. Or a 2nd on its own. Anything is better than an UNtradeable compensatory pick.

Interesting, but i'm sure other teams (Tampa Bay. Cassel v Brady at Wembley :o ) will be interested. Loving the off-season here.

First rest for BB in ages before FA as well.

jj62255 11-01-2009 10:23 PM

Congrats to the Eagles, always a joy watching Eli Manning lose

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
Yeeeeeessssssss!!!!!! First the Cowgirls and now the G'Men!!!!!:lux: :lux: :cool:

:lux:

Excellent.

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jj62255
Congrats to the Eagles, always a joy watching Eli Manning lose

Agreed :p

Latvian Eagle 11-01-2009 10:30 PM

Well so far my record in this weekends games...

NFC teams I want to win = 0/2

AFC teams I want to win = 1/1.

Hopefully the Chargers will make it 2/2... Cannot stand the Steelers. So boring!

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jj62255
Congrats to the Eagles, always a joy watching Eli Manning lose

I don't rate him. He got lucky last year. Actually only watched from half time and had swapped allegiance. I think Arizona at home is easier for them than NY being at home :D.

Even being a Cowboys fan, I have to respect Donovan McNabb. Cool dude! It won't hurt me too much if he won a Superbowl.

Won't change allegiance for San Diego. Can't have the Steelers getting a sixth Superbowl. We are America's Team - can't lose that tag ;).

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sLlll
I don't rate him. He got lucky last year. Actually only watched from half time and had swapped allegiance. I think Arizona at home is easier for them than NY being at home :D.

Even being a Cowboys fan, I have to respect Donovan McNabb. Cool dude! It won't hurt me too much if he won a Superbowl.

Won't change allegiance for San Diego. Can't have the Steelers getting a sixth Superbowl. We are America's Team - can't lose that tag ;).

Oh My God.

Someone agrees with me on here about Manning.

Where were you when I was being slaughtered for suggesting the Chargers were better off with Rivers rather than Manning.

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
Yeeeeeessssssss!!!!!! First the Cowgirls and now the G'Men!!!!!:lux: :lux: :cool:

Mate, you are getting sliced up next week. If not then in the SB by those nasty Ravens. :D

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Oh My God.

Someone agrees with me on here about Manning.

Where were you when I was being slaughtered for suggesting the Chargers were better off with Rivers rather than Manning.

Come on Paul. You Rule right :p.

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile 11-01-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sLlll
Mate, you are getting sliced up next week. If not then in the SB by those nasty Ravens. :D

Maybe, but this year after the regular season debacles (Chicago, Redskins x 2, Bengals -although that tie was not a disaster in the end and the benching of #5 at the Browns, whoops sorry the Ravens) this run is just a magic bonus and to knock out your lot and NY is just about perfect :p :D

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:39 PM

:D

If the Chargers win, I may explode with excitement.

Sproles is my favourite non-Patriot along with Rodgers, Rivers and Chris Johnson. Have to root for the little guy and he is like a rocket.

Swanny32 11-01-2009 10:39 PM

I am so happy right now! What a game, Manning bottled it, McNabb didn't get out of first gear and Westbrook was hardly used either, imagine what we'd have done to them if this wasn't the case!

One more stop in Arizona and then on to Tampa!

EAGLES!!

ardeo 11-01-2009 10:42 PM

Defence was key for us, especially the early interception got us ahead despite being dominated in the first half. Can't wait for next week now.

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
Maybe, but this year after the regular season this run is just a bonus and to knock out your lot and NY is just about perfect :p :D

If you have zero Superbowls still afterwards, then it'll only be a waste. 5 NFC Championships in the last 10 years, with what to show? Sorry for being so harsh........... EAGLES!!!

Selhurst300 11-01-2009 10:44 PM

Brilliant result.
Great momentum.
Come on you Eagles!!!!
Superbowl beckons.

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:46 PM

I'm looking forward to the Subway Bowl. Oh wait.

I'll look forward to the battle of the huge foreheads aka Manning Bowl. Oh wait.

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:49 PM

TOUCHDOWN SAN DIEGO

:lux:

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:51 PM

3 great games so far. Boring Baltimore sorting out the sorry throw it away Titans. Kurt 'NFL Europe' stinging the fancied Panthers. EAGLES!! the wild card embarrassing the number one seed, for the second time in two days.

Please let there be a San Diego Arizona final.

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle
Well so far my record in this weekends games...

NFC teams I want to win = 0/2

AFC teams I want to win = 1/1.

Hopefully the Chargers will make it 2/2... Cannot stand the Steelers. So boring!

I'm 3/3 :lux:

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile 11-01-2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sLlll
If you have zero Superbowls still afterwards, then it'll only be a waste. 5 NFC Championships in the last 10 years, with what to show? Sorry for being so harsh........... EAGLES!!!


Sod the super bowl - the NFL has been running for longer than a match up between the NFL and AFL - We have won 3 NFL titles (1948, 1949 and 1960) We are the only team to beat Green Bay under Lombardi in the play-offs (NFL Championship game in 1960) and the Cowboy's were only formed in 1960 ;) Oh the history!!!!:p

sLlll 11-01-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
Sod the super bowl - the NFL has been running for longer than a match up between the NFL and AFL - We have won 3 NFL titles (1948, 1949 and 1960) We are the only team to beat Green Bay under Lombardi in the play-offs (NFL Championship game in 1960) and the Cowboy's were only formed in 1960 ;) Oh the history!!!!:p

Did that make you world champions ;) ;)

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile 11-01-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sLlll
Did that make you world champions ;) ;)

:S: ;)

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 11:09 PM

That was a return.

Had everything, including the kill of the Photographer which is key to the return.

Latvian Eagle 11-01-2009 11:31 PM

Weird play I've seen this season... Ben Roethlisberger taking the snap to punt! :o

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 11:33 PM

Quick Kick.

Not as Good as Cassel who lead the Regular Season in Punting Average.

One Punt, in the wind vs. Buffalo. Travelled 57 yards to the Buffalo one where it was downed by Welker.

Except the Steelers done it on 4th down and the Pats done it on 3rd down.

elliott 11-01-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Quick Kick.

Not as Good as Cassel who lead the Regular Season in Punting Average.

One Punt, in the wind vs. Buffalo. Travelled 57 yards to the Buffalo one where it was downed by Welker.

Except the Steelers done it on 4th down and the Pats done it on 3rd down.

Two years ago the Sabres punted on 3rd down twice in two drives.

The only two times I've ever shotgun snapped. Brilliant stuff!


Elway always used to do it.

pauldrulez 11-01-2009 11:50 PM

Its a good tactic on 3rd down in the wind as snaps can go wrong.

Steelers try a fake Punt. Oh dear.

Latvian Eagle 12-01-2009 12:23 AM

But the way what does "out of the shotgun" actually mean.

I've been trying to figure it out for ages now.

jlmatthews 12-01-2009 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle
But the way what does "out of the shotgun" actually mean.

I've been trying to figure it out for ages now.

Shotgun is where the QB is a few yards behind the center... not right underneath him.


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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle


Watching it live I thought he was going to do what Orlovsky did in Minnesota. Can't believe CBS didn't run a replay of it, as it looked very close.

(Apologies to Orlovsky, but it wouldn't have been as funny. He nearly ran out of the stadium.)

Seeing the replays on SC last night... it was very clear he was inbounds.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 12:35 AM

Not being under Center.

You are standing back for the snap. Not up the center's arse.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 12:42 AM

Sproles must be gutted after that.

All that effort and they get intercepted.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 12:43 AM

Ooh, challenge.

I can see that being overturned after one replay.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jlmatthews
Seeing the replays on SC last night... it was very clear he was inbounds.

Glad someone who saw a replay could clear that up for us. :p

Here's a thought - I reckon next week the number six seed in the NFC will be a favourite on the road in the NFC Championship game. That must be a first. Think the line probably starts at about 3.5 to 4 points in Philly's favour.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 01:02 AM

Thought he was in there if I'm honest. Would be interested to see an angle from the other side.

jlmatthews 12-01-2009 01:12 AM

:hi: Chargers

:)

elliott 12-01-2009 01:21 AM

A QB can either be "under Center", or in the shotgun. This is 7 yards backs, and required the center to throw the ball to him.

Also, some teams are starting to use a pistol formation, which is 3 yards deep, with a loneback behind the QB.

zonin2000 12-01-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
Shame to see the thread return to proper football talk rather than cheerleaders.

My wife was telling me about a scandal in Florida a few years back involving 2Panthers cheerleaders being discovered in a somewhat compromising situation in a ladies' room.....

Anyways, looking forward to the game in a little while & hoping the Panthers can repeat the job they did earlier in the season.

Sod those accumulator bets.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216124

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
I was wrong.

I called an Asante INT TD. Not far wrong though.

So, who would you rather have. Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning....

I swear I was the only one that said I would rather have Rivers.

Yes, and you also want Sproles...

jj62255 12-01-2009 02:14 AM

:lux: :lux: :lux:

Finally the offense worked, good to see they stuck to the same game plan as against the Browns, even though Arians said it was a one-off. Great defense as usual and another sub 300 yard to the opponent. No turnovers and Willie Parker back to his best. Fair play to the Chargers though, coming back from 4-8 to get this far is no mean feat, and had it not been for that suberb 3rd quarter it would have been quite a different game.

Bring on the Ratbirds :lux:

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 10:08 AM

I thought the Steelers looked impressive.

A running game and Big Ben playing well.

Chargers defense looked shocking though, couldn’t do anything, Rivers must be gutted, he looked good but just didn’t get a chance really. The third quarter was mad, one snap for the Chargers wasn’t it?

Should be another epic battle versus the Ravens next Sunday. Just hoping the Ravens haven’t had one battle too many, think the extra week the Steelers had and the fact that last night was a relative stroll for their defense might give them the edge.

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jj62255
:lux: :lux: :lux:



Bring on the Ratbirds :lux:

Oi I missed that comment.

ardeo 12-01-2009 10:46 AM

Rivers looked good (from the highlights) but his defence definitely let him down. Can't imagine Ravens Steelers being a classic, where as Cardinal Eagles might just be!

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 11:20 AM

Ravens vs Cardinals Superbowl.

I cant see the Steelers running the ball on the Ravens, and Ed Reed is a bit different to the San Diego Secondary which has been average without Merriman's pass rush.

Cards can stop Westbrook. I also think their Secondary will deal with Jackson and Curtis pretty well.

Eagles will have to stop the run first and foremost. Put Fitzgerald in Double, even Triple Coverage to force Warner to throw to Breaston and the two tight ends if Boldin is unavailable.

The best part.

The Patriots have 5 picks in the Top 100 of the draft with more coming from a Cassel trade :lux: Be scared NFL. TEB is coming back and he is going to be pissed.

And we move up to 23 from 24 with either the Cards or Eagles (with better records) going to the Superbowl and forfeiting their draft position. :lux:

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 11:22 AM

I think Ravens-Steelers could be a classic, but it will probably be a defensive classic.

Ben (as commentators seem to insist on calling him) looked great last night.

Am really looking forward to next weekend. It's an exciting time as you start to see how the Super Bowl storylines might work out (e.g. all Pennsylvania SB, Whisenhunt vs Tomlin, Philly's resurgence since losing to Baltimore, etc.).

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:17 PM

Don't like Rivers, so delighted to see the Chargers lose.
Don't like any New York sports team (although the Mets I can live with), so delighted to see the Giants lose.

And now it really is wide open. Say what you like about the Play-offs being strange without Brady or Manning, I think it's really refreshing to have two Championship games that won't feature the Pats or the Colts.

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
The Patriots have 5 picks in the Top 100 of the draft with more coming from a Cassel trade :lux: Be scared NFL. TEB is coming back and he is going to be pissed.

If Cassel is traded it'll be long after the draft.

And I maintain that no-one is going to give up a first rounder for a guy who would be on eight figures for one decent season.

Derek Anderson says hi. (With a tear in his eye.)

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Quick Kick.

Not as Good as Cassel who lead the Regular Season in Punting Average.

One Punt, in the wind vs. Buffalo. Travelled 57 yards to the Buffalo one where it was downed by Welker.

Except the Steelers done it on 4th down and the Pats done it on 3rd down.

Can I propose that after the Super Bowl we implement a one month ban on willy waving?

jj62255 12-01-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AddiscombeEagle
Oi I missed that comment.

Sorry, got a bit carried away last night :)

But what a game this is going to be. These teams really hate eachother with a passsion, and after the Browns meltdown in recent years, the Ravens, who of course are the 'old' Browns, are without doubt the team the Steelers want to beat the most and vice versa i'm sure.

The Ravens really have a thing to prove, the last thing they want, is to go 0-3 against Pittsburgh this season, least of all in the championship game. However they did look pretty banged up against the Titans with lots of injuries, so the bye is definately going to benefit the Steelers. Can't wait :lux:

jazman 12-01-2009 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle
No way all four road teams win this weekend. It has never happened since the play-offs went to this format.

P.S. Sorry to all the Philly fans, but I really like the Giants to win tonight. No way the Eagles can play that well two weeks running.

A bit of a Paul moment which I apologise for but I was almost right about all four road teams winning. Spot on about the Eagles beating the Giants though .. ;) :p

nookiebear 12-01-2009 01:52 PM

Hello everyone

What a cracking weekend. Watched all the games, and all I can say is wow.

Now, we've discussed on here which teams we like and dislike, and I said I find everything about the Cardinals boring (kit, logo, location, etc)

But there is nothing boring about how they're playing football in the play-offs.

And when the Chargers went the length of the field on their opening drive and scored I thought it was going to be a close game, but the Steelers looked awesome

I think the Steelers will win it all now. I don't think the Ravens have enough on offense to stop em. I have a feeling that game will be very low scoring. Big Ben will take a pounding from the Ravens D but they'll do enough to squeeze through. It'll be a Special Teams and Field Goal epic, I think.

I think the Eagles will beat the Cardinals, unfortunately.

nookiebear 12-01-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Don't like any New York sports team (although the Mets I can live with), so delighted to see the Giants lose.
.

Out of the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants, the Giants offend me the least. I'd have rather they'd beaten the Eagles, to be honest, but this season again proves why the NFL rocks.

Anyone can win it. Well, maybe not Detroit :D

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 02:03 PM

We had the possibility, before last night, of an 8-8 team and a 9-7 team hosting Championship matches.

How is that good for the NFL, promoting mediocrity?

I don't care who wins in the AFC but I hope the Eagles pound the Cardinals.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman
A bit of a Paul moment which I apologise for but I was almost right about all four road teams winning. Spot on about the Eagles beating the Giants though .. ;) :p

I can't be right all the time.

Or any of the time if I'm truly honest. :cool:

nookiebear 12-01-2009 02:09 PM

Just emailed the same thing to Ben :)

Teams like the Skins and Saints finished 8&8 and bottom of their divisions

As a Redskins fan, I sometimes wish the team was based near Washington, Seattle, as we'd walk that division :)

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
We had the possibility, before last night, of an 8-8 team and a 9-7 team hosting Championship matches.

How is that good for the NFL, promoting mediocrity?

There was nothing mediocre about any of the games at the weekend. Even watching Jake Delhomme self-destruct on his birthday was compulsive viewing.

Be great if next weekend is the same.

I'm not missing the big names one iota.

AddiscombeEagle 12-01-2009 02:32 PM

Watching the Steelers game, the Commentator said something I didn’t catch concerning something I didn’t know.

I think he said something along the lines of you can’t stop the clock by running out of play until the last five minutes of each half. Can someone confirm that for me please?

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 03:02 PM

Good read this.

Supports my theory that much of Cassel's success has been a direct result of the excellent system built for him by Belichick and McDaniels. I still think he might get found out elsewhere.

Interesting Unconventional Stat: Air Yards & CP10

by GatorPhan on Jan 10, 2009 11:14 PM EST
I recently stumbled across a very interesting new stat at Advanced NFL NFL Stats (via Smart Football – Analysis and Strategy by Chris) that really struck a chord with me due to our QB conversation, and all of the people calling for Chad Henne to replace Chad Pennington due to the fact that he cannot get the ball down the field. It is a concept I am surprised was not the original way to do things in the first place. It addresses a question many people have probably asked themselves: Why in the world does a quarterback get credit for a 60 yard pass if he just dumps it to his RB, and the RB makes an amazing play to get up the field?

Granted, a smart pass from a QB can lead a receiver to be able to create the YAC- but ignoring the difference between yards actually thrown in the air, and YAC can lead to some misleading numbers. The article demonstrates the case of 2 QBs. Both QBs had just over 7 yards per completion, and both had a stellar QB rating of 95. One was Peyton Manning, and the other was Tavares Jackson. Obviously there was something wrong here. Air Yards aim to bring this disparity from the normal stats to the surface. Air Yards, simply put, measure the distance the ball actually traveled in the air from the line of scrimmage to the receiver.
What really interested me though was when I looked at the "Air Yards" rankings A-NFL-S had compiled. If you had to guess which QBs had the most "Air Yards" in the NFL, who do you think it would be? Probably some rocket armed QB, like Brett Farve. Nope. Maybe it was Drew Brees, who nearly eclipsed Dan Marino’s single season passing yards record? Think again. Surely the Dolphins own "noodle armed" QB Chad Pennington didn’t come near the top of the list right? All he does is dump it off and let our shifty receivers get up the field for him right?
Surprisingly, he was the #5 QB in the league in gaining "Air Yards" behind Jake DelHomme, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Aaron Rodgers. He is just ahead of Sage Rosenfels, Jay Cutler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, and Drew Brees to round out the top ten. Pretty spectacular.
Of Chad Pennington’s 3,653 passing yards, 1,546 were yards gained after the catch. That means 2,107 yards were all CP and his arm. Given his 476 (regular season) attempts, that means he gained about 4.43 Air Yards per attempt. If the QBs were rated by that stat, he would fall one spot to 6th. The percentage of his yards after catch compared to total yards is 42.3%- which ranks him the #10 QB for AY by percentage. Looks like no matter how you slice it, Chad threw the ball further threw the air than all but a hand full of QBs, and really did not receive that much help from his receivers.
For a comparison to the "traditional stats"- Chad Pennington was the #9 QB in passing yards- behind Brees, Warner, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Cassel. Only Rivers, and Rodgers beat him in Air Yards.
The biggest disparity in stats is with Matt Cassel. In fact, Matt Cassel was the THIRTY SEVENTH ranked QB in AY. He is DEAD LAST in percentage of yards gained after the catch (57% of his 3,693 yards were gained after the catch).
Other QBs joining him at the bottom of the list: JT O’Sullivan, Jason Campbell, Brett the Jet Favre, JP Losman, and Seneca Wallace. Not exactly great company there. The QBs with the lowest AY in ’07 included Brodie Croyle, Joey Harrington, Brett Farve, JP Losman, and our own Cleo Lemon. The "class of ‘06" has such stars as Brett Farve, Mark Brunell, David Carr, and Alex Smith.
Now this doesn’t prove anything, but I’d say it gives us at least a hint that the Patriots have a brilliant system, and furthermore, that Matt Cassel sucks- and will probably be terrible with the next team that picks him up.
And as you could see, the man the Jets dumped Chad for was at the bottom of the list for the past 3 years. For all the talk of opening up the field, his cannon arm, etc- this is how he did this year: 1,779 of his 3,472 yards were after the catch- which equates to 3.2 AY/Attempt, or 51% of his total passing yardage. So how did that work for you? Maybe Laverneus Coles wasn’t just being spiteful when he said the ball machine threw a harder pass.
So how many of you out there would have guessed Chad Pennington was in the top 10 for every single category that measures how far the ball actually travels from the line of scrimmage, and the #5 overall? I’d say old "noodle arm" has acquitted himself pretty well. Maybe we have a stronger case for getting that big time #1 receiver than I thought. . .
Check out the full chart- as per Advanced NFL Statistics below (with a few added columns- see http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009...ards-2008.html for the original):

Rank QB Total Yards YAC Air Yards YAC % Air Yards % Air Yards/Attempt 1 Jake Delhomme 3288 1269 2019 38.59% 61.41% 4.9 2 Matt Ryan 3440 1404 2036 40.81% 59.19% 4.7 3 Phillip Rivers 4009 1840 2169 45.90% 54.10% 4.5 4 Aaron Rodgers 4038 1652 2386 40.91% 59.09% 4.5 5 Chad Pennington 3653 1546 2107 42.32% 57.68% 4.4 6 Sage Rosenfels 1431 664 767 46.40% 53.60% 4.4 7 Jay Cutler 4526 1881 2645 41.56% 58.44% 4.3 8 Peyton Manning 4002 1627 2375 40.65% 59.35% 4.3 9 Eli Manning 3238 1220 2018 37.68% 62.32% 4.2 10 Drew Brees 5069 2398 2671 47.31% 52.69% 4.2 11 Tony Romo 3448 1578 1870 45.77% 54.23% 4.2 12 Matt Schaub 3043 1470 1573 48.31% 51.69% 4.1 13 Ben Roethlisberger 3301 1368 1933 41.44% 58.56% 4.1 14 Kurt Warner 4583 2173 2410 47.41% 52.59% 4.0 15 Shaun Hill 2046 895 1151 43.74% 56.26% 4.0 16 David Garrard 3620 1494 2126 41.27% 58.73% 4.0 17 Jeff Garcia 2712 1248 1464 46.02% 53.98% 3.9 18 Trent Edwards 2699 1266 1433 46.91% 53.09% 3.8 19 Dan Orlovsky 1616 652 964 40.35% 59.65% 3.8 20 Gus Frerotte 2157 1023 1134 47.43% 52.57% 3.8 21 Tavares Jackson 1056 502 554 47.54% 52.46% 3.8 22 Donovan McNabb 3916 1805 2111 46.09% 53.91% 3.7 23 Matt hasselbeck 1216 451 765 37.09% 62.91% 3.7 24 J.T. O'Sullivan 1678 887 791 52.86% 47.14% 3.7 25 Joe Flacco 2971 1433 1538 48.23% 51.77% 3.6 26 Tyler Thigpen 2608 1101 1507 42.22% 57.78% 3.6 27 JaMarcus Russell 2423 1143 1280 47.17% 52.83% 3.6 28 Kerry Collins 2676 1292 1384 48.28% 51.72% 3.5 29 Kyle Orton 2972 1450 1522 48.79% 51.21% 3.3 30 Brett Favre 3472 1779 1693 51.24% 48.76% 3.3 31 Brady Quinn 518 230 288 44.40% 55.60% 3.2 32 Seneca Wallace 1532 755 777 49.28% 50.72% 3.2 33 Brian Griese 1073 488 585 45.48% 54.52% 3.2 34 Derek Anderon 1615 724 891 44.83% 55.17% 3.1 35 Marc Bulger 2720 1336 1384 49.12% 50.88% 3.1 36 Jason Campbell 3245 1686 1559 51.96% 48.04% 3.1 37 Matt Cassell 3693 2116 1577 57.30% 42.70% 3.1 38 Carson Palmer 731 358 373 48.97% 51.03% 2.9 39 Ryan Fitzpatrick 1905 848 1057 44.51% 55.49% 2.8 40 J.P. Losman 584 294 290 50.34% 49.66% 2.8

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:10 PM

I cant stay for long as i'm in the middle of a lesson. ;)

Its well known that Cassel and the Pats has huge YAC.

My point is Matt Schaub. 2 2nd rounders for a guy that played one good game.

Minnesota need a QB that can make plays but manage the game and not make mistakes.

They are built everywhere else, and it wont surprise me at all.

I'm also enjoying the playoffs btw. :)

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:11 PM

And Rob Johnson to the Bills as well was one that came up in my weekend of stat studying ;)

ardeo 12-01-2009 03:13 PM

Interesting stuff, but it does depend a lot on your receiving corps still and what their strengths are and in general the throwing game plan, in terms of using a lot of cut backs or trying to air it out over the top more.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:21 PM

Before I go,

Cassel handled himself in strong winds. Heavy Snow. Heavy Rain.

Had 11 Interceptions. 2 of which were against the Rams and were the fault of Moss and Welker.

Ben Watson was responsible for throwing 2 to a corner when he dropped them.

He also rushes and 3.7 ypc off 73 carries is pretty good.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
There was nothing mediocre about any of the games at the weekend. Even watching Jake Delhomme self-destruct on his birthday was compulsive viewing.

Be great if next weekend is the same.

I'm not missing the big names one iota.

The first game was rank awful. It wasn't even a defensively skilled game. It was about two OLs who fell apart and the one which fell apart least won.

I like defensive games, but that wasn't a defensive game - it was a lack of offense game, and got even worse once Chris Johnson sat out.

I'm not saying the games themselves were mediocre (in general) and I'm not bothered about the "big names" but a Superbowl with an 8-8 and 9-7 division winner would've been a disaster for the NFL, IMO.

I agree with nookie, I wish we were West Coast.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:29 PM

I thought it was a great game.

I thought Giants-Eagles was the worst of the 4. And I dont really care for either team but didn't want The Lesser Spotted Forehead to win the Bowl.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AddiscombeEagle
Watching the Steelers game, the Commentator said something I didnít catch concerning something I didnít know.

I think he said something along the lines of you canít stop the clock by running out of play until the last five minutes of each half. Can someone confirm that for me please?

From the way they explained it I think the clock starts again when the ball is spotted. In the last five minutes of a half the clock doesn't restart until the ball is snapped again.

In the college game the clock also stops when a team gets a first down, with this in mind I'm amazed that, 1) college games don't take 4+ hours, and 2) you still get quirky rule differences between the game at the pro and collegiate levels.

P.S. Paul, don't use conditions as a factor in Cassel's figures. Aaron Rodgers has to play in similar conditions usually.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:39 PM

I'm not using them as an excuse.

I'm using them to say that he has proved he can play in them conditions.

He threw for 250+ in the snow.

He has thrown 400 yds twice. He threw 4 TDs in a game.

I think that may be worth a first at least.

And there is no way he is there come draft time.

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
And there is no way he is there come draft time.

Then why are you Franchising him in the first place? I thought it was in case Brady isn't ready in time for next season? Because you won't know for definite on Tom when the draft arrives.

I'd be genuinely intrigued to hear Saxon's take on the whole Cassel situation, even if it means him disagreeing with me. :o

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:45 PM

Coincidence that the injury reports are coming out of Belichick's favourite press (if he has any).

Brady is fine. He was in the locker room every day for the last 3 weeks of the season with Adalius Thomas rehabbing.

And I am happy with KO'C as a starter for a few weeks if Tom was on PUP.

I guarantee Cassel is gone by the draft and Brady starts against.... in September.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 03:46 PM

I don't know what he's worth in terms of draft picks, but his limiting of mistakes down the stretch will make him worthwhile to someone. If he's starting for the Vikings instead of Jackson/Frerotte they become much better immediately.

I'd be interested in a first half/second half of the season split on Cassel and those stats. Although I wasn't watching the Pats as closely as Paul and Saxon it did seem that they opened up the playbook more for him as the season went on.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 03:50 PM

I'll find them when I get home.

But, the improved OL after the PUP returns helped him big time.

As well as Faulk providing his help playing on all 3 downs rather than a 3rd down back.

He had a bad game against Pittsburgh though.

I'll find out more tonight.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
And I am happy with KO'C as a starter for a few weeks if Tom was on PUP.

Not saying you're wrong but that would surprise me.
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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
I guarantee Cassel is gone by the draft and Brady starts against.... in September.

The Lions tried everything to trade the number two pick when they ended up picking Calvin Johnson, but it didn't happen. I don't think there is any guarantee that Cassel goes anywhere by the end of April.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Then why are you Franchising him in the first place? I thought it was in case Brady isn't ready in time for next season? Because you won't know for definite on Tom when the draft arrives.

I'd be genuinely intrigued to hear Saxon's take on the whole Cassel situation, even if it means him disagreeing with me. :o

Wherever Cassel goes, he'll be a bust unless he his managed like he was in Foxboro.

The playbook might've been opened up but we run more screens and slants than anyone and his deep ball throwing is awful. How he hasn't thrown more picks on the amount of balls he has under-thrown is crazy. The YAC stat isn't an anomaly - it's because Cassel can't throw and we have good receivers and backs who can break a tackle or catch on underneath and hook routes.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure where or when he will go - if we are going to get draft picks for him then I'd rather get them now and get some more D in than wait for 2010. However, any concerns over TB, of which there MUST be some, indicate to me that Cassel won't be traded until the end of the summer camps.

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 04:05 PM

Assuming they're looking for a new QB, I'd imagine the Vikes see Derek Anderson as a more attractive option than Matt Cassel right now. Easier to get hold of, slightly more experienced, and would cost them a lot less in both draft picks and money.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I don't know what he's worth in terms of draft picks, but his limiting of mistakes down the stretch will make him worthwhile to someone. If he's starting for the Vikings instead of Jackson/Frerotte they become much better immediately.

I'd be interested in a first half/second half of the season split on Cassel and those stats. Although I wasn't watching the Pats as closely as Paul and Saxon it did seem that they opened up the playbook more for him as the season went on.

7 TDs, 7 picks through the first 8 - 14 TDs, 4 picks through the last 8.

6.7 yards per attempt first 8, around 7.7 yards per attempt final 8.

They opened the playbook more so the above happened. Also, this happened:

Completion percentage first 8 - 69%. Final 8 - 59%

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Assuming they're looking for a new QB, I'd imagine the Vikes see Derek Anderson as a more attractive option than Matt Cassel right now. Easier to get hold of, slightly more experienced, and would cost them a lot less in both draft picks and money.

Or give Booty a shot at the job when he's already on their roster? They've tried everything else in-house, why not at least try that as well?

From Peter King's Fine Fifteen:
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12. Atlanta (11-6). The Michael Vick day of salary-cap reckoning is coming. If the Falcons cut or trade him this offseason (what else can they do?), he counts as $7.11 million on their 2009 cap. If they keep him, he counts as $15.43 million. Now there's a tough call.
What's tough about it? Cut the scumbag and get $8m+ back on your cap figure. It isn't like he's going to play for anyone else against you next season.

LLCOOLSTEVE 12-01-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Steelers will win the Superbowl

last time i predicted they would win it they went all the way! :)


as I said at the beg of Dec :)

Benzhiyi 12-01-2009 05:02 PM

Steelers, Ravens, Eagles or Cardinals will win the Super Bowl.

As I predicted on my way to work this morning. :)

ardeo 12-01-2009 05:10 PM

Some team named after a bird will make it to the superbowl

jazman 12-01-2009 06:19 PM

I predict the winners will win in Tampa ... ;)

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzhiyi
Steelers, Ravens, Eagles or Cardinals will win the Super Bowl.

As I predicted on my way to work this morning. :)

A team ending in the letter "s" will win.

nookiebear 12-01-2009 06:35 PM

Would Cassel do as well at, say, Washington, who have only really decent wide receiver in Santana Moss and one reasonable one in Randle El?

Is Cassel a better QB than Jason Campbell, for example? Cassel's only ever had to learn one system, Campbell is on his fourth system since he joined the NFL

Could Cassel go to Detroit and make a difference? I'm not so sure.

It is just as much about systems and pass protection and wide receivers as it is about the QB's talent.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nookiebear
Would Cassel do as well at, say, Washington, who have only really decent wide receiver in Santana Moss and one reasonable one in Randle El?

Could he go to Detroit and make a difference? I say no.

It is just as much about systems and pass protection and wide receivers as it is about the QB's talent.

Not Detroit, I agree, but there are other schemes he would work OK in.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:14 PM

A team beginning with a consonant or vowel will win the Superbowl.

I think he would work well at Minnesota. He has a decent WR corps, a good TE and the best RB in football. They have a great defense so the team wouldn't need him to win the game by going long.

He would fit well into a team with San Diego's scheme. Sproles is there for the dump off on Screens. They have 3 decent Receivers including Gates. And lesser receivers like Manumaeuluna (or whatever it is) who he doesn't hesitate in using.

I like the way he has improved his reads as well. He used Gaffney, Aiken, our 2nd Tightend and the other RBs.

This is his first proper season in 6/7 years. He can only get better.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 07:16 PM

FFS Paul, stop wanking over Sproles. He got his start yesterday and had one good play.

He's not good enough when faced with a top defense.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:24 PM

Yes, because every Rusher has had a great game against the Steelers.

Tashard Choice = 88 yards

LeRon McClain = 87 yards

Sproles = 15 yards. But 5 receptions for 90 yards.

I'm pretty sure i've got the game plan worked out for the Steelers.

Screen passes and different versions of handing off.

Choice is quick and smallish like Sproles. Give it to them and they are gone :)

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:28 PM

He also isn't the Number One back there, which means his numbers are lower.

My point was that he suits the formation where it can be dumped off to someone.

I'd say he requires a decent OL, One good tightend and a slot receiver.

The most popular formation used was 3 WR, 1 RB and a TE.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Yes, because every Rusher has had a great game against the Steelers.

Tashard Choice = 88 yards

LeRon McClain = 87 yards

Sproles = 15 yards. But 5 receptions for 90 yards.

I'm pretty sure i've got the game plan worked out for the Steelers.

Screen passes and different versions of handing off.

Choice is quick and smallish like Sproles. Give it to them and they are gone :)

Paul, if you want to argue, don't quote half the f*cking stats.

Choice had 88 rush yards and 78 receiving yards on 5 catches against the Steelers (166 yards of offense vs 105 for Sproles...). He averages 5.1 yards a carry including games against the Giants, Eagles, Skins and Steelers.

Take Sproles stats, remove Denver (twice) and Indy (twice) who can't stop the run, and you have basically nothing. Well, you have 141 rushing yards for the season, actually. And you want the Pats to sign him? 4TDs all season - 2 against the Colts, 1 against Denver and a KO return.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:49 PM

Matt Cassels season stats: Bear with me as i'm working my way through piles of paper and websites.

Some notes:
New England - 8th best Rushing YPG and 12th best Passing YPG.

2 400 yard games. 415yds @ Miami and 400yds vs Jets.
1 300 yard game. 345 yds vs Arizona in the snow. Removed in 3rd quarter.

Completes less passes when within 1 Touchdown (this includes spikes)

The misleading stat earlier from saxoneagle was his Completion Percentage.

Although that went down, his December Passing Rating was 102.7. He got first downs 42% of the time.

He had 8 Touchdowns and 1 Interception throughout those matches. In all kinds of weather. This includes 4 Touchdowns against a Top 10 Pass Defense.
His one Interception came against Oakland when Benjamin Watson caught and then threw the ball to the Corner.

He scored 4 TDs against Miami and Oakland.
And 3 TDs against Arizona, Denver and the Jets.

His worst game came against Pittsburgh and the Chiefs in his first game.

Provides a genuine threat with his feet, scored 2 TDs and improved his YPC as the season went on and designed roll-outs were added to the playbook. He also had a 33% 1st Down Percentage.

I have hundreds of other facts, but I'm not going to bore you all anymore.

I am certain he will be gone by draft day. As certain as I was that he would be franchised.

I'll leave it here for now.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
Paul, if you want to argue, don't quote half the f*cking stats.

Choice had 88 rush yards and 78 receiving yards on 5 catches against the Steelers (166 yards of offense vs 105 for Sproles...). He averages 5.1 yards a carry including games against the Giants, Eagles, Skins and Steelers.

Take Sproles stats, remove Denver (twice) and Indy (twice) who can't stop the run, and you have basically nothing. Well, you have 141 rushing yards for the season, actually. And you want the Pats to sign him? 4TDs all season - 2 against the Colts, 1 against Denver and a KO return.

He had 61 Carries all season (not including the playoffs). Remove the 23 against Denver and that leaves 38 carries for 141.

141/38 = 3.71 YPC.

He also had 5 Receiving Touchdowns. Hence, the Screens.

saxoneagle 12-01-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
He had 61 Carries all season (not including the playoffs). Remove the 23 against Denver and that leaves 38 carries for 141.

141/38 = 3.71 YPC.

He also had 5 Receiving Touchdowns. Hence, the Screens.

He'll make one decent play a game, on average. DECENT play. We don't need him.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 08:24 PM

I dont think we need him now either.

Maroney at worst can do a job on 3rd down in rotation with Faulk

Morris and Faulk can carry the load.

I dont want to bring this back to the Pats though.

I'll end with a statement.

GO CARDINALS!!!

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nookiebear
Could Cassel go to Detroit and make a difference? I'm not so sure.

Could he go to Detroit and make himself an eight-figure sum? Probably, and at the end of the day that could be all that matters to him.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 08:55 PM

If I was to be sentimental I would say it doesn't matter to him.

But if I was offered 4 years, $30 million guaranteed with bonuses with the Vikings, I think I would take it ahead of the $14m one year.

And i'm pretty sure Cassel will take that as well.

Detroit would be better if they could get a Tackle (Oher/Smith) with their Number One. Give us Dallas's picks for Cassel. They can then rebuild their Lines through the draft and Free Agency.

Dave Nunn 12-01-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
C'mon you Eagles!!!!

Congratulations Bro! If you get to the SB I hope you stuff the Squeelers or Ratbirds!

Next year will be the year of the Dawgs! Only Kidding :o

WOOF WOOF

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
If I was to be sentimental I would say it doesn't matter to him.

But if I was offered 4 years, $30 million guaranteed with bonuses with the Vikings, I think I would take it ahead of the $14m one year.

And i'm pretty sure Cassel will take that as well.

If he's franchised he doesn't have a choice, does he?

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 10:37 PM

He can refuse to be traded.

If (When) he is traded, he takes the one year contract with him, but this can be changed when traded obviously.

Strathclyde Eagle 12-01-2009 11:14 PM

Sorry, I thought you were talking about a straight-up swap between being franchised and opting for free agency. My bad.

pauldrulez 12-01-2009 11:28 PM

Don't worry, I never make myself clear.

I think a good Matchup for Sunday has to be Fitzgerald vs Samuel (if they line up together). Asante cannot take the amount of risks he did against the Giants. A better receiver than Steve Smith(NYG;)) would have snaffled it and been into the endzone.

Roethlisberger vs Reed, Lewis etc and Flacco vs Harrison, Polamalu etc


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