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Getting back to the matters at hand, I like the Saints odds of 3.0 or so to win the NFC South this season. They had a nice offseason bulking up the defense, and will have a full season of Pierre Thomas in the backfield, who impressed the hell outta me last year.

I would be astounded if Vick became a Redskin. No way he could run a West Coast Offense in his prime, let alone now

Favre staying retired supposedly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4362093

For this week at any rate.

Some bad news for NFL fans and in particular Eagles fans, JJ has lost his battle with Cancer and passed away this evening.

RIP JJ, you'll be missed

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The Philadelphia Eagles are saddened to announce Jim Johnson has passed away Tuesday afternoon at the age of 68 after a courageous battle with cancer.

A veteran of 22 years as an NFL assistant, Johnson is regarded as one of the top defensive masterminds in National Football League history. Over the last decade, he gained a great deal of praise as the orchestrator of the renowned Eagles defense. His aggressive style kept Philadelphia at or near the top of the NFL in nearly every major defensive category since joining Andy Reid's staff on January 22, 1999.

From 2000-08, Johnson's units ranked 2nd in the NFL in sacks (390), 3rd down efficiency (34.0%) and red zone touchdown percentage (43.9%), and fourth in fewest points allowed (17.7 per game). During his 10-year tenure in Philadelphia, the Eagles earned seven playoff berths, five trips to the NFC Championship game and one Super Bowl appearance (following the 2004 season).

As the Eagles defensive chief, Johnson's defense has produced 26 Pro Bowl selections: Brian Dawkins (7), Troy Vincent (5), Jeremiah Trotter (4), Hugh Douglas (3), Lito Sheppard (2), Asante Samuel (1), Trent Cole (1), Michael Lewis (1), Corey Simon (1), and Bobby Taylor (1).

Four of his defensive assistants have gone on to successful careers with other NFL franchises: Steve Spagnuolo (head coach of the St. Louis Rams), John Harbaugh (head coach of the Baltimore Ravens), Ron Rivera (defensive coordinator of the San Diego Chargers) and Leslie Frazier (defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings).

Prior to his tenure in Philadelphia, Johnson served as the linebackers coach with Seattle in 1998. That year, Johnson helped the Seahawks register 10 touchdowns on defense, including eight interceptions returned for scores, 2nd most in NFL history. He arrived in Seattle after a four-year stint in Indianapolis, the last two as defensive coordinator. While with the Colts, Johnson helped them secure a berth in the AFC Championship game at Pittsburgh in 1995.

Johnson spent eight seasons with the Arizona Cardinals (1986-93). After overseeing the Cards defensive line for four seasons, Johnson excelled as their secondary coach, helping Aeneas Williams become the first rookie cornerback to lead the league in interceptions (6) since 1981.

Johnson began his coaching career as head coach at Missouri Southern (1967-68), before serving four-year tenures at Drake and Indiana. From 1977-83, Johnson served as defensive coordinator and assistant head coach at Notre Dame, a stint that included a national championship in 1977.

An all-conference quarterback himself at Missouri (where he played in the same backfield with long-time NFL executive Bill Tobin), Johnson went on to spend two seasons with Buffalo as a tight end (1963-64).

A native of Maywood, IL, Johnson (born 5/26/41) earned a bachelor's degree in education and a master's degree in physical education from Missouri.

Johnson is survived by his wife, Vicky, two children, Scott and Michelle, and four grandchildren, Katie, Justin, Brandon, and Jax.

Very very sad news.

Congratulations on all that you achieved Jim. A great man, a great tactician, a great teacher.

I don't "do" defense, but he was a man who I admired.

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Originally Posted by nookiebear

I would be astounded if Vick became a Redskin. No way he could run a West Coast Offense in his prime, let alone now

Good tactical knowledge.

Vick is the antithesis of a WCO QB really.

Still, I hope he finds a team. A few of my friend's friends think he should be banned from the NFL. IMO, he's done his time, he's repaid his debt, and so he should be allowed to earn a wage.

Its none of the NFL's business. Who are they to judge what is right and wrong? Judge jury and executioner???

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Originally Posted by Swanny32

Some bad news for NFL fans and in particular Eagles fans, JJ has lost his battle with Cancer and passed away this evening.

RIP JJ, you'll be missed

:( Lets win it for JJ as his memorial :(

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Originally Posted by elliott

Well said. I agree completely.

RIP JJ :(

RIP JJ :(

A great loss to the Eagles and the NFL

RIP! :(

And well said Elliott! I fully agree! I'm looking forward to seeing him back in the NFL. I came into American Football just as he was nearing the end (before his arrest).

Vick's an odd one because his stats as a 'normal' QB are pretty average to say the least.

If he wasn't so nippy on those twinkle toes and got all those rushing yards he'd be a Rex Grossman at best, IMHO. When the legs start to slow down, he won't be Pro-Bowl quality - he'll struggle to even be a starter.

Which is why you won't see him at teams who play the West Coast Offense, even though Vick has played in it. Jim Zorn's in DC is a staggeringly exact science that Campbell and all the Wide receivers struggled with last season.

That's why the idea of Vick in DC is insane. He's had two years out of the game and would be expected to learn one of the most complex passing systems in the NFL - and passing isn't his major asset. The Skins won't go for a guy that's been out the game for two years and is a year behind Campbell in an offense Vick won't feel that comfortable with anyway.

He could end up at the Vikings, I guess, but I'm not sure who else will take a punt on him - especially as he's banned for the first six games, isn't he?

He'd work in a Wildcat but I don't see that grumpy old fart in Miami signing him up either

Maybe the Rams? I might have said Detroit before they got Stafford.

I'd take Vince Young over Vick right now.

Right, I have messaged Rob on Facebook regarding my Jersey, fingers crossed he is able to help. If not I'm going to have to try my Aunt who unfortunately I don't trust to buy the right jersey.

Firstly today, very sad about Jim Johnson. Loved the way he prepared his defences and his philosophy in attacking offences.

Secondly, to repeat what I've said before, if Vick became a Dolphin I'd be an ex-Dolphin fan. I find what he did disgusting, and while I don't think you can stop him making a living if he gets less than what some drugs cheats have had I don't think that's right.

Can't tell I'm a dog owner, can you?

On SSN this morning Baltimore are apparently interested in Vick.

I always liked his running style, as when I got into NFL and supporting the Eagles liked McNabb for his running too (although now prefer him to stay in the pocket more or roll out in a designated move)

But imagine how strong Vick's arm is going to be now after his time in jail! If you know what I mean!

Baltimore were one of two mentioned on Total Access last week

I don't know why Baltimore would be interested... Flacco had a great Rookie season and he can only get better, and I really rate Troy Smith as their back up! They've just taken on John Beck from Miami too... So where does he fit really? There's a couple of teams who have only two QBs on their rosters at the moment. I'd still say the most likely is the Jaguars who were the other team mentioned on Total Access last week.

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Originally Posted by Swanny32

But imagine how strong Vick's arm is going to be now after his time in jail! If you know what I mean!

:D

The other cons probably left him alone if this story is true

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12468203/

Why would the Ravens want him? Surely Flacco is progressing nicely...?

I tell you what, I'd take Vick at Philly, we only have McNabb who as we all know can be a little unreliable at times and his backup Kevin Kolb is shit!