:)

Ahhhhhhh. And is, of course, of Indian heritage....

Which is why I genuinely couldn't work out out to whom he was referring. What an unbelievably (or not, considering the poster) ignorant post.

Not really. Looks like it will clear over night to reveal hot and sunny conditions first up tomorrow. Nice for batting……

Quelle surprise.

Root and Silverwood once again showing they’re tactically inept. Love Joe as a player but he’s a pretty dreadful captain surviving off an average wins record attained over a ridiculous period of time.

The other Aus posters have tried defending you as not racist, but this is complete nonsense. **** off.

147 All Out, were we really surprised? apart from Root our batting is sub standard at Test level especially when it come to the Ashes in Australia, and as for the bowling attack just imagine when the outstanding and dependable Anderson and Broad finally hang up their boots. Oh Well.

This.

Unbelievable to leave both Broad & Jimmy out. How can you tactically defend that team.

Perhaps us announcing the team so early was a tactical manoeuvre after all.

You certainly copied it, when you were better off playing to your strengths, rather than imitating our 11.

That’s a little harsh on Stokes…..

Really can’t understand how he’s still on here, lots have been banned for similar racist sh*t.

It's not just England, it's just another weak touring side. Test cricket in general is only throwing up competitive tourists in about one in every 10 series around the globe. The patient is very ill.

Yeap, what a horrible post by him.

What a lovely human being you are, not even remotely subtle anymore. You're a 60 year old man, you should be ashamed of yourself.

:jerkit:

To illustrate this to the Aus contingent, this is more ignorant than it would be to call Steve Smith "the Irishman", with a side order of "all brown people look the same".

Oh well, bit of a shaky start. Still, things can only get better ........ can't they???

With our attack to bat first was very peculiar
....still the Aussie batting line up is pretty weak too so let's see what happens.....gotta say the Burns dismissal was pretty embarrassing

The Burns wicket was a real horror.

Clip it off the legs for four and we’re playing a different game.

Part of the problem, Jim, is that we don't know what our strengths are - especially bowling-wise. A week or so ago, I suggested that the Aus attack would be Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood & Lyon. Anyone could have guessed those four. Green is a semi-decent all-rounder addition.

I'd be surprised if anyone on here would have picked Wood, Woakes, Robinson, Leach & Stokes in advance of this 1st Test.

Of course, that doesn't excuse another poor batting display. The only surprise is that people were surprised.

But credit to Cummins - he led by example & seems a decent fella. Good luck to him, especially as he's had to overcome a five year Test absence due to his own serious injuries from a few years ago.

Rory Burns has proven time and again he doesn't have the technique to be a Test match batsman (or batter as we are supposed to call them now) and is horrible to watch twitching and waving his bat about

I was hoping to see little of him in this series so getting out first ball at least he's off to a good start

There are few options for England selectors given the obsession with Mickey Mouse cricket

It swung in late and he still couldn't reach it! :D

Harmison aside, most opening balls of a Test Match/Series are fairly innocuous looseners outside off.

Starc did let rip, which surprised Burns no end, and lead to a procession of dominoes!

Now its our turn.

Sadly i think Stokes best days are now behind him. Yes he is still capable of producing the odd outstanding performance, but consistent performance's is probably now history.
There is a massive rebuilding process ahead for England, but the big question will be is the talent there in numbers for the overhaul? i am not sure.

Is it OK to call Smith a “rubber-faced blubbing goon”?

Ashes 2021
 

Mods gonna do anything about this blatant racism?

Let’s not forget Joe’s other piece of captaincy genius that is negatively impacting this tour: bowling Jofra Archer into an early grave.

Fully expecting Mark Wood to break down and leave us with two front-line seamers for four days of toil and a record-breaking defeat.

I think they persist with Burns because he is perceived as a potential future England captain

And because he's got a Test average of 32 (3 x100, 11 x 50) although it's slightly higher against Australia. And, arguably, because there aren't any better candidates as opener.

I reported it but no edit so far.

Fvck me. :eek:

Michael Vaughan in the Telegraph today slagging off the bowling unit before they've even bowled a ball.

If they make him captain in the future he should field at mid-on or mid-off to communicate regularly with the bowler. This would get him out of the slip/gully cordon where he regularly drops routine catches

He would follow Mike Brearley in captaining England and never looking like a Test match batsman

Worrying if there are no alternative opening batsmen, but in terms of Rory he does get out early, often. Whilst 32 is hardly a good test average anyway, as an opener he is supposed to be able to hang around for a while, take the shine off the ball and reduce the pressure on the middle order.

It's all very good slating Burns but who would you have open instead?

Me mam

:D

Thing is, a lot of it wasn't to do with playing rash 20/20 shots.
There was some loose techniques, good balls, and a team who've been utterly unprepared due to Covid and the weather.

But the decision to bat will haunt Root for some time. We were never going to out bat Australia. We were only putting ourselves under pressure by batting first.

I'd get Crawley in tbh. He may play the occasional rash shot but at least he is aggressive in the way he plays

Surprised one of England’s enormous army of workload management officers or coin toss data specialists weren’t wheeled out to face the media. Probably banned by their individual line managers.

Yep.

It's one of those unfortunately which you don't want first ball up. And then the late swing did the damage.

I used to umpire Burns and Roy when they were kids and were brilliant players and Burns was really good playing off his leg etc and I can only say it was almost an unplayable ball, and would back him to come back stronger in the next innings (I know misplaced loyalty here from me )

I assume this is a joke Raz?

Australians are master of mind games and sadly Joe fell victim and lost the plot.
It is not just Joe the back room staff too I must add

As art implied, I don't think the 200,000+ strong backroom staff are helping much.

Like I said, misplaced loyalty from me mate

Nope, they are busy checking thier tweet histroy to see if they made any racist comments rather than helping England concentrate on the job in hand :)

The problem is, there's not enough of them...

It would seem so.

He's hopelessly out of his depth. And it was a dolly ball off the legs first up - he couldn't have wished for an easier first ball.

Average county player. No more no less. Of course its not his fault he's being picked given so little options.

Circa 94/95, I remember Boon opening for Aus Vs WI and Walsh bowling and I don’t think Boon managed to touch a single ball during that over.

I know it does not add anything to the discussion but I thought I throw it in the midst :)

That's nonsense, Worky.

I don't think so mate. If you're not anywhere near international standard, and he isn't, how can you be anything other than an average player when you have almost literally zero competition for your place.?

If there was any decent English openers about, he'd be nowhere near the team

:)


There was another Rory (can picture him but can’t remember his surname) in that bunch of boys who actually was very good, a posh lad but he failed when he stepped up the plate.

You can’t be doing schoolboy errors in Tests I suppose but there we are roll on 11 o clock and if Aussies start bashing the ball round I will just retire for the night lol

What about that opener who is a good lad in the dressing room? Surely he can be picked :)

I actually think we'll weedle them out for sub 300. Won't do is much good in the long run in this test I don't think but....

Assume they've not brought play forward because of yesterday's missed overs?

He's about as much of a test opener as me mam as well.....

Rory Burns has scored just over 1700 runs at an average of 32, including 3 hundreds and
11 fifties.

Yes, a very modest record but not hopelessly out of his depth.

I fear Australians will notch up 500ish and we get spanked again under 100 or something I do hope I am wrong as it is now hard to play for a draw unless it rains all night and day

Hamilton-Brown?

Be interesting to see where he got the runs

His technique doesn't stand up to quality bowling, as seen at 12.01 am. Nor does his mentality

Simply not good enough at this level I'm afarid

You may be right

The decision to leave out both Broad and Anderson looked a bad one at 11.30 last night. Looks a f'kin horrendous one now.

Burns is a very, very good County player - his County record supports that.

He struggles with the step up to Test cricket but all that's showing is that there is a noticeable difference between the two levels. That's understandable. It's like being a striker who bangs 'em in in the Championship but can't do it in the Premier League. That's his level. The level of competition for the place is irrelevant to his ability.

I also disagree that he's 'not anywhere near international standard' - he's hasn't fluked 3x100s (against Australia & NZ) & 11x50s in 54 innings.

I posted on here a few years ago when Burns & Sibley were the next-two-cabs-off-the-opener-rank that I thought Burns would be a stop gap. I haven't changed my mind about Burns' ability but, for me, he's still the 2nd best opener in the country, behind Hameed. It's not his fault that there's no-one better.

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Exactly. I don't think the ball he got was as bad as some are making out either. It certainly seemed to come in a bit as well.

And there aren't many great Opening Batsmen doing the rounds at the moment.

He averages about the same or better as both Windies openers, Gill, Will Young, better than Harris and Butt.

He’s not as bad as Workshop is maintaining.

He’s not as good as he should be as an England opener but nobody has been for five years.

That ball shouldn’t get a competent opening batsman out but as Mark Butcher said on Twitter it wasn’t his technique that let him down but pure nerves.

I’d have clipped it off my legs for four mate… and you’d have tried to sweep it.

Yes that is him. Posh lad good Al rounder but was with fairies at time, I think him and Roy were into Rugby to, Roy’s old man was a rugby bod if I remember

RH-B was the captain during the dark days of Tom Maynard’s death. I think he might have been Maynard’s housemate. Lots of booze & drugs. Dernbach got caught up in that for a while, wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t others. Very poor club culture at that time at Surrey.

Bring back Dernbach!

Oh yes I forgot that. Very true

And Boycott :)

Left handed opening batsman should not be missing what looked like a ball pitched in middle and leg, at least get bat on ball, I think it was just nerves. Mind you when I first saw it, I thought it was unplayable but having seen it now more than once it does look ordinary delivery bit like a loosener and got lucky

Not sure comparing him to the WI openers is quite the defence you may have been hoping for. ;)

England's main problem with developing Test match batsmen is the low importance given to the County Championship by the ECB. Games are played in April and in September, the best months for playing cricket in England are reserved for the Mickey Mouse versions of the game

The other problem is the number of pie throwers playing in the CC that do not test a batsman's technique. Two batsmen who accumulate a high number of runs in the CC each season are Dom Sibley and Keaton Jennings, both of them serial failures at Test Match level

Anyway, he’s shit. And I’ll be proved right on a good few more occasions over the next few weeks. If I’m not, I’ll happily apologise to him (via the BBS).

Yeah, but wasn't The Hundred great? Graphics, kids, Mums, shirts with Hula Hoops on them, all those giveaway tickets...:p

Apparently the ‘highlights’ are on the I Player

Workshop would have Dilshan’d it over the sight screen for six. :D

Do you think that the high number of county teams compared to say Australian states leads to a lot of journeyman and lack of classy opposition?

And been the captain.

Definitely

Top International players now usually only play in the Mickey Mouse stuff as they make a lot more money and are not often seen in the CC for an entire season

England's best players have central contracts and rarely play CC games unless they are returning from injury

Last season Surrey's CC team didn't have Roy, Burns, Pope, Foakes, the Curran brothers etc available on a regular basis. The best player was Hashim Amla, now retired from Test cricket, he could bat all day against the pie throwers and rarely looked in trouble

ECB don't care seem to care about the demise of the Test team and their focus is raking in money from broadcasters on the short format stuff

^^^

Yes, but I'm not sure that really answers NKE's question. When I was a young pup there were almost as many first class counties (I think only Durham were added), no two tier system, and two or three one-day trophies. Along with this, you had some of the world's best cricketers playing for counties as well as the Lancashire leagues whatever they were.

I may well have misunderstood everything but would like to blame all that is wrong with the game on the ACB, BCCI and ECB.

Quite, despite what Silverwood said back in February

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/i...6?platform=amp

It doesn’t. I think your point about back in the days counties had worlds best cricketers drives home succinctly.

Nowadays the worlds best cricketers play T20 and the one who come to play the counties are not really worlds best. This might have been a factor in reducing the standards of our county games and introducing 100 etc did not help.

I can’t see a short term solution unless they open up a commonwealth county championship, which could then completely ruin the domestic games (or could improve) but something needs to be done in grass-root Cricket to save test match cricket

It is worth saying, however, that NZ & India have possibly their strongest Test sides ever at the moment. Australia not far behind. Then Pakistan, South Africa & England all seem to be slipping, with WI & Sri Lanka the sick-men of the Test scene. Some of it is cyclical but some of it definitely feels difficult to reverse.

Glorious sunny morning in Brisbane

Surprise.

Did they not look at the forecast ffs? What a dumb call.

Oh well fingers crossed..

Australia will also get an extra half hour in it early

Quarter past 11 start I think today

To be fair to Joe, the Aussie captain has now said he would have batted first too, but is glad he didn’t win the toss

He said that at the toss interview. They don’t have a flakey as feck top order so I’m sure he would have batted, especially with no Broad.

Easy in hindsight though agreed and it was always a ‘good toss to lose’. If Burns hadn’t shat himself at the sight of the Aussie bowler running in, we might have at least amassed a massive 230 or so.

Here we go then.

Wickets needed in first 10 overs or it’s na nights

**** off Warnie you boring twat.

You spelt Workshop wrong….

:)

What we saying? I reckon over 500 for the Aussies then declaring.

Apparently England last won in an Ashes test after being bowled out in first innings for less than 150 in the 1890s. WG Grace was the man.

I think we’ll have them done for 300-350, weather dependent

But we need early wickets

Good to see you're still your miserable self Wolfie.:D

Another Australian upsetting you?
Maybe have a glass of half full instead of a glass of half empty. It might cheer you up.

Great start by OR.

Not so Woakes. Sluggish

Is the commentator calling Warne ‘King’?

Do the other commentators really call him “King” with a straight face?

King of spin

They’re embarrassingly sycophantic.

To be fair Warne is a bit of a wrongun. Around 50 and going with a teenager.