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Strathclyde Eagle 27-04-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elliott
have you seen what kiper said about him?

I'm with Ben in his opinion on Kiper.

pauldrulez 27-04-2009 11:14 PM

Few real needs?

How about pass-rush?

I'm sure when Adalius Thomas gets hurt again that teams are going to be scared of Pierre Woods and Tully Banta-Cain. Thank God we have a Secondary this year, otherwise Brady would need to put up 50burgers every game.

I like the extra 2 picks in 2010. But we could have easily got a 2nd first for 2010 out of it. Hell, look at the Panthers, they gave up a first for Brown.

saxoneagle 27-04-2009 11:17 PM

Wait and see Paul, and stop copying other people's views from other sites.

pauldrulez 27-04-2009 11:23 PM

I did use to like Kiper, but he seems to have got senile quick. Having Cassel as a top 5 QB and better than Cutler and many others. I liked him, but I had him 15th in the league.

But Mayock came out with a gem on Saturday.

"Jay Cutler is not a franchise QB" he then proceeded to tell a shocked Rich Eisen (who tweeted it immediately) that all 3 QBs in the first round could be.

All I am saying is that I had my opinion questioned because I don't know what will happen in the future, and Belichick knows what he is doing. I gave my opinions that I didn't like the picks because IN MY OPINION there were better players who fitted a bigger need. I've seen more tape on each guy since then, I love Butler, like Brace and Chung and am not all that bothered by Vollmer of the 2nds. I like the 2 3rds and the Wildcat guy. The others are all meh picks to me. Whereas last year I loved every pick of the 7 we made. From Mayo to Ruud. I called Mayo as DROTY, but had Wheatley, Crable, Slater and Ruud wrong. 3 of them due to injuries. I had Wilhite wrong but he came better than expected. And O'Connell didn't play because TB/Cassel were ahead. If we can't give opinions, whats the point of the thread talking about the draft?

Let's not have a draft show anymore then, let them pick but no analysis. We'll sit there and watch Goodell and the other guy announce picks and listen to the fans boo one by one, with no Eisen, Mayock, Dukes, Gruden (very good), Davis, Prime, Faulk and the rest.

To end on a lighter note,

Talking of the other guy who was announcing picks, who heard the slip he made.

With pick 35 of the draft, the St. Louis Cardinals select...

At that point everyone was laughing apart from the Jets fans who were still booing.

pauldrulez 27-04-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saxoneagle
Wait and see Paul, and stop copying other people's views from other sites.

What has come from another site?

All the sites are giving the Patriots B+. Some moron gave them an A. You cant get an A yet. I give it a C-D. Because I didn't like the way that some picks were wasted easily. And I think we could have taken a better player at one point but in Bill we Trust. Remember that when Veteran Special Teamer Banta-Cain is starting...

What would you give the 07 Patriots draft looking at it. Someone said a D. That's funny because with the 2nd round pick, the Patriots got Welker and with the 4th the Pats got Moss. I call that a A- draft along with Merriweather.

pauldrulez 27-04-2009 11:27 PM

And since we are on it, no more opinions on players.

We haven't seen them play in the NFL, they may be the best yet...

elliott 28-04-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez

What would you give the 07 Patriots draft looking at it. Someone said a D. That's funny because with the 2nd round pick, the Patriots got Welker and with the 4th the Pats got Moss. I call that a A- draft along with Merriweather.

That's not counted in the draft though sadly.

I have no problem with analysing, and analysing players, but the NFL is known for being so hit and miss when it comes to rookie player success, that in my opinion, any analysis is fairly ridiculous.

Why not analyse who's got the best chance of winning the FA cup in 2020? You've got better odds of getting it right than analysing whether drafted players will be boom or bust...

Strathclyde Eagle 28-04-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elliott
Why not analyse who's got the best chance of winning the FA cup in 2020?

Manchester United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal. ;)

Vince Hilaire's Afro 28-04-2009 04:10 AM

I think with all the arguing that's going on it's worth remembering things like Tom Brady being a 6th round pick in 2000 - 199th overrall.

It's very difficult to predict who'll make it and who won't. But from what I've heard, the Patriots have been very canny in not only addressing a few deficient areas in this year's draft, but also taking into consideration their salary structure by not overloading themselves with too many early (and therefore expensive) draft picks. As Tom Brady proved, there's good players all the way through the draft.

elliott 28-04-2009 09:12 AM

i can't believe graham harrell went undrafted.

well, i can't believe no one wanted to take a punt on him.

has he signed as an UDFA anywhere yet?

ardeo 28-04-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Funk Butter
That's how it works, you get all boozed up and yell at every pick. Jets fans have provided some classic moments.

Of course, the Philly fans booed the Donovan McNabb pick because they wanted Ricky Williams.

And still boo him now :p

oz_da II 28-04-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by elliott
i can't believe graham harrell went undrafted.

well, i can't believe no one wanted to take a punt on him.

has he signed as an UDFA anywhere yet?

Gone to the Cleveland Browns rookie camp.

jazman 28-04-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Manchester United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal. ;)

You think they will merge by then? :o

jazman 28-04-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
I think with all the arguing that's going on it's worth remembering things like Tom Brady being a 6th round pick in 2000 - 199th overrall.

Great point. As I've said before, my first forray into the Draft has left me feeling a little confused to the point of thinking 'what the hell was all that about?' ... It begs the question after all the comments on the past page or so, what relation or significance will it all have on the new season? I guage that it's pretty much like reviewing all the youth talent in this country and deciding who will or will not make it as a top Premiership player. That's not my input, just my view on it all.

To be honest, the draft did very little for me. Maybe that's because I have little time to read other sites apart from this thread and NFL.com but you can't compare all this with proper NFL action. So I am now very much looking forward to the new season.

I suggest you all go and kiss the star ... ;) :o

pauldrulez 28-04-2009 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oz_da II
Gone to the Cleveland Browns rookie camp.

After a tryout with the Cowboys, the Browns jumped on him.

I wont bother with analysing it anymore, the more I look at it, the more I like some of the picks (and I love having 3 2nds next year, but surely thats not part of this years draft either, just like Welker/Moss in 07?)

Roll on the new season.

saxoneagle 28-04-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
I think with all the arguing that's going on it's worth remembering things like Tom Brady being a 6th round pick in 2000 - 199th overrall.


Indeed, and Paul more than anyone should know that.

pauldrulez 28-04-2009 01:54 PM

And Cassel (7th) and Romo who went Undrafted IIRC.

jazman 28-04-2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldrulez
Romo who went Undrafted IIRC.

That explains a lot ... :o

Funk Butter 28-04-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman
Great point. As I've said before, my first forray into the Draft has left me feeling a little confused to the point of thinking 'what the hell was all that about?' ... It begs the question after all the comments on the past page or so, what relation or significance will it all have on the new season? I guage that it's pretty much like reviewing all the youth talent in this country and deciding who will or will not make it as a top Premiership player. That's not my input, just my view on it all.

A slight difference is that you are taking in 3 or 4 years of high level competition into consideration in the NFL Draft. Plus, you are drafting 21 and 22 year olds, so theoretically, you should do a better job of picking which guys will be good versus a 16 year old youth team player. That's why whiffing on a 1st Round pick is such a calamity, and why some teams are always crap while others are consistent playoff teams. Almost always, 1st and 2nd round picks are expected to contribute in their first season, second at latest.

nookiebear 28-04-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jazman

I suggest you all go and kiss the star ... ;) :o

Er, no :moo: :S: :S: ;) ;)

The draft really is random, we all know that. I've paid more attention to it the past two seasons than ever before but still know bugger all about almost all the young players - just read the Redskins forums a bit to get a feeling for what really people in the know think

The Brady thing is good to point out. Kurt Warner wasn't even drafted

Redskins fans seem excited by the wide receiver we drafted in the 7th round, Marko Mitchell - 6ft 4, but quick. They think he could have the sort of impact Chris Horton had for the Skins on D last season. He was a 7th round pick as well and is now a starter at Safety. Some are actually rating him higher than the two wide receivers we drafted in the second round last year :eek:


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