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RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 04:51 PM

Ashes 2021 - 4-0
 
It is that time again and we need a dedicated thread to discuss this

Pre pandemic I was planning to visit Oz with Barmy Army to watch the Melbourne test but maybe next time.

We did thump them in the World Cup t20

But come test matches I think Australia will be a different beast altogether


Hereís is to a month of cricket festival and it is on BT this time round and I am dreading who will be doing the commentary.

Maybe like football they need to do a fanís commentary

Worksop Palace 22-11-2021 04:58 PM

Wait, what, it’s on BT ? :eek:

That’s me not watching it then.

Tomo 22-11-2021 05:03 PM

An interesting series.

Englands chances will depend on how fit Stokes is, but also, if someone else other than Root can put some good runs on the board.
I'm just not sure we have enough bowling to regularly get 20 wickets.

I've little time for Paine, and he's beyond average, so not ideal that he could well be out of the team now.

averity 22-11-2021 05:04 PM

Bullshit how bt got it, doubt Iíll be watching much unless I go pub

RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16115136)
Wait, what, itís on BT ? :eek:

Thatís me not watching it then.

Yeah and Alastair Cook has been promoting it and just listening to him on that has put me off

Worksop Palace 22-11-2021 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by averity (Post 16115145)
Bullshit how bt got it, doubt I’ll be watching much unless I go pub

Unless you’re thinking of going to the pub from midnight until the wee hours or the wee hours until lunchtime, I doubt it !

RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16115143)
An interesting series.

Englands chances will depend on how fit Stokes is, but also, if someone else other than Root can put some good runs on the board.
I'm just not sure we have enough bowling to regularly get 20 wickets.

I've little time for Paine, and he's beyond average, so not ideal that he could well be out of the team now.

Warne reckons Paine needs to go and get some fresh blood.

I agree we donít enough bowlers who can take 20 wickets and apart from Root a batsman who can score big

It is looking promising already haha

Worksop Palace 22-11-2021 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16115156)
Warne reckons Paine needs to go and get some fresh blood.

I agree we donít enough bowlers who can take 20 wickets and apart from Root a batsman who can score big

It is looking promising already haha

Stokes can score big. But heís been out of action for a long time now. Be surprised if he sets the world on fire this series.

3-1 Aussies

Tomo 22-11-2021 05:25 PM

If one player could come out from long term injury and score big, it's Stokes.

Worksop Palace 22-11-2021 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16115178)
If one player could come out from long term injury and score big, it's Stokes.

Agreed

A lot to ask in an Ashes series in Oz though

Baffled Bob 2 22-11-2021 05:29 PM

I was wondering why Sky weren't plugging it!

Can we take 20 wickets in Perth? Can't see it I'm afraid.

Jordan's Jacket 22-11-2021 06:09 PM

That's really annoying.....I like an early start watching an hour or two of the cricket in the morning......not getting BT just for that though

art malice 22-11-2021 06:17 PM

BT have had all Aussie home games for a while. They also had the last Ashes over there. Viewing figures even worse than Sky’s, which are also dire.

crystaljim 22-11-2021 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baffled Bob 2 (Post 16115184)
I was wondering why Sky weren't plugging it!

Can we take 20 wickets in Perth? Can't see it I'm afraid.

Not sure there will be a Perth Test. They were reluctant to open their borders without a lengthy quarantine and the Premier has been backed by the population by his stance.

Baffled Bob 2 22-11-2021 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16115240)
Not sure there will be a Perth Test. They were reluctant to open their borders without a lengthy quarantine and the Premier has been backed by the population by his stance.

Ah okay. I always think the Perth test is the highlight. Even though we always lose...

0.bj 22-11-2021 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16115233)
BT have had all Aussie home games for a while. They also had the last Ashes over there. Viewing figures even worse than Skyís, which are also dire.

Might go up this year if there is a chance ĎVaughanyíí says something naughty.

crystaljim 22-11-2021 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baffled Bob 2 (Post 16115244)
Ah okay. I always think the Perth test is the highlight. Even though we always lose...

It's also better viewing from the Northern Hemisphere, only 8 hours difference means its on until 11:00am for us Europeans!

RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16115161)
Stokes can score big. But heís been out of action for a long time now. Be surprised if he sets the world on fire this series.

3-1 Aussies

Yes very true

I canít see we winning any test but 3-1 is better than 5-0

Prince Phillip 22-11-2021 07:44 PM

Any chance the games could be played in good spirit? Not necessarily kisses and cuddles all round - but a lack of general twatish-ness would be nice. For example, the taking of a wicket has become way too over-celebrated these days. Hopefully England can set an example after both wickets they'll take on day one at Brisbane.

RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16115240)
Not sure there will be a Perth Test. They were reluctant to open their borders without a lengthy quarantine and the Premier has been backed by the population by his stance.

Perth is the only ground I have ever visited in Australia and it reminded me of Oval, a flat batting pitch. Shame if there is no test there but safety comes first

Olympian2 22-11-2021 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16115324)
Any chance the games could be played in good spirit? Not necessarily kisses and cuddles all round - but a lack of general twatish-ness would be nice. For example, the taking of a wicket has become way too over-celebrated these days. Hopefully England can set an example after both wickets they'll take on day one at Brisbane after being bowled out for 67

EFA

RazorsEdge 22-11-2021 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince Phillip (Post 16115324)
Any chance the games could be played in good spirit? Not necessarily kisses and cuddles all round - but a lack of general twatish-ness would be nice. For example, the taking of a wicket has become way too over-celebrated these days. Hopefully England can set an example after both wickets they'll take on day one at Brisbane.

It all depends how frequently the wickets are taken I supposeÖ.if the time between wickets is in days then a celebration is needed I suppose :)

0.bj 22-11-2021 09:02 PM

What’s the new stadium in Perth like for away teams now the Fremantle Doctor is no longer a concern for the players?

cappuccinoeagle 22-11-2021 09:12 PM

Will there be highlights on terrestrial TV?

Maiden Eagle 22-11-2021 09:39 PM

Pretty sure that Vaughan has been part of the BT commentary team for the Aussie tests, in the past ?

Not this time though, surely ?

Maiden Eagle 22-11-2021 09:42 PM

Has Glenn come out with his normal 5-0 Aussies prediction, yet ?

RobertCPFC 22-11-2021 10:01 PM

I don't think it has been confirmed yet but the commentary is likely to be from Fox Sports with BT having studio coverage from London between sessions.

Bones14 22-11-2021 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16115143)
An interesting series.

Englands chances will depend on how fit Stokes is, but also, if someone else other than Root can put some good runs on the board.
I'm just not sure we have enough bowling to regularly get 20 wickets.

I've little time for Paine, and he's beyond average, so not ideal that he could well be out of the team now.

Fair enough you have little time for him, as i have lost a fair amount of respect for him as well.
To say he's beyond average is a bit of a stretch though considering he averages 32 with the bat which is comparable to nearly your entire batting list bar Root and Stokes. Think he's only 5 runs behind Stokes as well. Root is a brilliant player so no comparison there obviously.

RazorsEdge 23-11-2021 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16115696)
Fair enough you have little time for him, as i have lost a fair amount of respect for him as well.
To say he's beyond average is a bit of a stretch though considering he averages 32 with the bat which is comparable to nearly your entire batting list bar Root and Stokes. Think he's only 5 runs behind Stokes as well. Root is a brilliant player so no comparison there obviously.

Paine is a good player and I thought he let Smith run the show last time Australia played here which kind of made him look weak.

Number 7 is a specialist role and I rather Paine play for Australia than some young kid who wants to make a name for himself (my logic anyway)

RazorsEdge 23-11-2021 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16115434)
Has Glenn come out with his normal 5-0 Aussies prediction, yet ?

He has been quite this time. I am sure he will

I just love it when he says that.

Worksop Palace 23-11-2021 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16115696)
Fair enough you have little time for him, as i have lost a fair amount of respect for him as well.
To say he's beyond average is a bit of a stretch though considering he averages 32 with the bat which is comparable to nearly your entire batting list bar Root and Stokes. Think he's only 5 runs behind Stokes as well. Root is a brilliant player so no comparison there obviously.

He may be 5 behind in averages but all other stats point to Paine not being fit to lace Mr Stokes sweaty boots.

Olympian2 23-11-2021 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16115434)
Has Glenn come out with his normal 5-0 Aussies prediction, yet ?

Too busy posing with dead buffalo, dead hyenas & elephant tusks....

Bones14 23-11-2021 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16116026)
He may be 5 behind in averages but all other stats point to Paine not being fit to lace Mr Stokes sweaty boots.

Wasn't my point. Those two are the only quality players you have in front of him in terms of test average.

davech 23-11-2021 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16116019)
Paine is a good player and I thought he let Smith run the show last time Australia played here which kind of made him look weak.

Number 7 is a specialist role and I rather Paine play for Australia than some young kid who wants to make a name for himself (my logic anyway)

Agreed. Last thing we need is another Lagershandy popping up.

adrenalin john 23-11-2021 02:01 PM

I see the chair of Tasmania has supported Paine in his sending of unwanted dick pics.

His name?

Gaggin, yes Gaggin' for it

Tomo 23-11-2021 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones14 (Post 16115696)
Fair enough you have little time for him, as i have lost a fair amount of respect for him as well.
To say he's beyond average is a bit of a stretch though considering he averages 32 with the bat which is comparable to nearly your entire batting list bar Root and Stokes. Think he's only 5 runs behind Stokes as well. Root is a brilliant player so no comparison there obviously.

I had little time well before this escapade of his became apparent. Heís a dickhead. His sledging is shit (see the india series). . His off field chat is shit (calling out Root and the England team and now heís the one least likely to play).
Heís nothing but a brown nose to Langer. Watching him in the documentary is cringe worthy at times.
Heís a shit captain (see Ben Stokes at Headingley).

I donít think many of our players are that good either, so thatís a pointless comparison.

And heís an experienced player while many of our batting line up arenít. Heís rarely made score that impact a game either (though heíd gained a couple more lately).

Unfortunately Australia will be better without him.

Tomo 23-11-2021 07:57 PM

I’m not sure your stats are wholly correct either.

Paines average is 32.6

Bairstow (33.7)
Butler (33.3)
Hameed (35.9)
Root (50ish)
Stokes (35)

You’ve then got Pope and Burns both literally fractions below Paine.
Both who’ve played a lot of matches on less batsmen friendly pitches.

art malice 23-11-2021 10:40 PM

Gotta hope the Aussies look down on us as they usually do and let their guard down.

Worksop Palace 23-11-2021 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art malice (Post 16117115)
Gotta hope the Aussies look down on us as they usually do and let their guard down.

Well theyíll most certainly do the former.

art malice 24-11-2021 11:46 AM

Pissing down in Brisbane

west country boy 24-11-2021 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16116086)
Too busy posing with dead buffalo, dead hyenas & elephant tusks....

How did I miss this? Apparently Lee and Gillespie enjoy "hunting" too.

https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1...84495643736d96

Aki Aki Aki 24-11-2021 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west country boy (Post 16117651)
How did I miss this? Apparently Lee and Gillespie enjoy "hunting" too.

https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1...84495643736d96

A grade turd

Aki Aki Aki 24-11-2021 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 16115431)
Pretty sure that Vaughan has been part of the BT commentary team for the Aussie tests, in the past ?

Not this time though, surely ?

Apparently Fox Sports has retained him, so he can spew more rubbish to BT viewers this winter

art malice 24-11-2021 12:55 PM

Wonder what odds you'd get on Wood, Broad and Anderson playing all five tests.

stinky 24-11-2021 01:05 PM

'Vaughany' not involved with BBC coverage of the Ashes.

REJOICE.

Baffled Bob 2 24-11-2021 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinky (Post 16117723)
'Vaughany' not involved with BBC coverage of the Ashes.

REJOICE.

That's certainly one in the eye for those who think racism is always a bad thing.

crystaljim 24-11-2021 01:51 PM

Tim Paine played his first game since his neck operation, hoping to put the recent sexting scandal behind him.
Unfortunately he got out his second ball.

Sorry, that should read got out second ball! :)

art malice 24-11-2021 07:01 PM

Watching some old Ashes stuff and Brad Haddin, around 2010, says England ‘are not great winners’.

Pot and fvcking kettle or what?

0.bj 24-11-2021 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16117677)
Apparently Fox Sports has retained him, so he can spew more rubbish to BT viewers this winter

Suppose his views are just fair dinkum Down Under :angel:

RazorsEdge 25-11-2021 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16117768)
Tim Paine played his first game since his neck operation, hoping to put the recent sexting scandal behind him.
Unfortunately he got out his second ball.

Sorry, that should read got out second ball! :)

:)

Like it

Wolfnipplechips 25-11-2021 08:00 AM

Has Tim Paine ever dismissed Quinton De Cock?

Olympian2 25-11-2021 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16118722)
Has Tim Paine ever dismissed Quinton De Cock?

Yeah, he stumped him off the bowling of David Willey…

Wolfnipplechips 25-11-2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16118726)
Yeah, he stumped him off the bowling of David WilleyÖ

Turns out thatís not the first time he got de Cock out.

Aki Aki Aki 25-11-2021 08:35 AM

We seem to have taken the UK weather with us to Brisbane

ozzieEagle 25-11-2021 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16118943)
We seem to have taken the UK weather with us to Brisbane


We are currently seeing the biggest weather front in my 40 years here in Australia. It stretches 4,000 Kilometers! Just misses Melbourne, but wraps around from Darwin all the way down the East Coast, all of the Queensland coast and inland about 500ks, All of NSW Coast and inland circa 300 ks and most of the East Coast of Victoria.

It's going to be a wet summer they reckon. La Nina weather event happening this year.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/la-nina-we...072122921.html

kiralyspyjamas 25-11-2021 09:44 AM

I mean, Australia's massive, looking at that storm the whole country is getting wet bar WA!

Big Blue Eagle 25-11-2021 02:02 PM

Has anyone looked at a BT monthly pass? I binned BT Sport a year or so ago (2-3 Palace matches a year didn't justify the cost) but looked at this today. But it implies it only works on the BT Sport App or Web, which doesn't really rock my boat too much. It suggests it doesn't add on to the Sky package?

ollie_porter 25-11-2021 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle (Post 16119255)
Has anyone looked at a BT monthly pass? I binned BT Sport a year or so ago (2-3 Palace matches a year didn't justify the cost) but looked at this today. But it implies it only works on the BT Sport App or Web, which doesn't really rock my boat too much. It suggests it doesn't add on to the Sky package?

You'll need to get it through Sky I believe?

Big Blue Eagle 25-11-2021 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie_porter (Post 16119263)
You'll need to get it through Sky I believe?

That will be fun - trying to navigate their crap Black Friday obsessed page about a possible Q upgrade at the moment!

RazorsEdge 25-11-2021 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle (Post 16119255)
Has anyone looked at a BT monthly pass? I binned BT Sport a year or so ago (2-3 Palace matches a year didn't justify the cost) but looked at this today. But it implies it only works on the BT Sport App or Web, which doesn't really rock my boat too much. It suggests it doesn't add on to the Sky package?

I got Bt sport and I went through BT for that and all you do is update the app it let BT know your SkY details.

I bought mine 4 years ago mind

Big Blue Eagle 25-11-2021 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16119341)
I got Bt sport and I went through BT for that and all you do is update the app it let BT know your SkY details.

I bought mine 4 years ago mind

Yeah, I had the TV version for several years linked to Sky until their prices got silly for what they actually had on offer. Iíve watched stuff on the App on the iPad so I may get one month and see how it goes, but £25 (not like they are exploiting a captive cricket market eh?).

RazorsEdge 25-11-2021 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle (Post 16119366)
Yeah, I had the TV version for several years linked to Sky until their prices got silly for what they actually had on offer. Iíve watched stuff on the App on the iPad so I may get one month and see how it goes, but £25 (not like they are exploiting a captive cricket market eh?).

Yup and hope they do a deal for cricket only say 2 months efc

Olympian2 26-11-2021 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16108421)
Fully expect not to see him play for Australia again

Ö.at least not Ďfor the foreseeable futureí :p

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59345925

Olympian2 26-11-2021 05:36 AM

Oh, & one of the cheats is, unsurprisingly, back as VC…

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...om-all-cricket

JJ 26-11-2021 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzieEagle (Post 16118966)
We are currently seeing the biggest weather front in my 40 years here in Australia. It stretches 4,000 Kilometers! Just misses Melbourne, but wraps around from Darwin all the way down the East Coast, all of the Queensland coast and inland about 500ks, All of NSW Coast and inland circa 300 ks and most of the East Coast of Victoria.

It's going to be a wet summer they reckon. La Nina weather event happening this year.

We've had an absolute soaking here. The kids' (and my) summer football comp is Wednesday / Thursday / Friday evenings, and last night it was raining absolute stair-rods while the boys played. Games were only on because it's artificial pitches. We've had 4 weeks of 3 sessions, and including tonight I reckon it's been raining for 8 of those 12 sessions. BORED OF IT! :mad:

Re Ashes, I believe it's on Fox Cricket, so for a change I'll be able to watch it.

KYLIE MINEAGLE 26-11-2021 06:36 AM

Pat Cummins new Australian captain.

adrenalin john 26-11-2021 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYLIE MINEAGLE (Post 16119996)
Pat Cummins new Australian captain.

Tough one to swallow for Pain

art malice 26-11-2021 06:47 AM

Paine to spend more time with his phone’s camera

Olympian2 26-11-2021 07:00 AM

Two years after, when you think youíve gotten away with itÖ

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a08f1b24d3.jpg


Two years later, when you realise youíre about to be rumbledÖ.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5e40612f2c.jpg

What a ****.

Wolfnipplechips 26-11-2021 07:52 AM

Just watching the Amazon documentary. Itís hilarious. Unintentionally.

All those interminable meetings where they say everything and nothing at the same time. :D

Worksop Palace 26-11-2021 07:55 AM

Aww, poor Timmy.

Bye

Aki Aki Aki 26-11-2021 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16120017)
Aww, poor Timmy.

Bye

And he was giving it large only a few weeks back. Oh bless him :D

Jordan's Jacket 26-11-2021 08:13 AM

Bit of a shame really. His absence will make the Aussies stronger. Still a rather ignominious end to an international career

RazorsEdge 26-11-2021 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 16120014)
Just watching the Amazon documentary. Itís hilarious. Unintentionally.

All those interminable meetings where they say everything and nothing at the same time. :D

I am watching that too it is hilarious

Aki Aki Aki 26-11-2021 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16120031)
Bit of a shame really. His absence will make the Aussies stronger. Still a rather ignominious end to an international career

I think so, Paine wasn't good enough, the Aussies will no doubt be stronger without him. Especially so if they pick the English keeper Inglis

Olympian2 26-11-2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16120028)
And he was giving it large only a few weeks back. Oh bless him :D


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0be19e48c6.jpg
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RazorsEdge 26-11-2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan's Jacket (Post 16120031)
Bit of a shame really. His absence will make the Aussies stronger. Still a rather ignominious end to an international career

Yes I agree.

I think to be dropped for sexting is bit unfair. Fine him or maybe ban him from one game.

Assuming he was dropped for that and not for his form

Aki Aki Aki 26-11-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16120038)

:D

davech 26-11-2021 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16120017)
Aww, poor Timmy.

Bye

It's a crying shame :sob:

For REAL men, these Aussies do blub a lot. We take defeat on the chin :D

Prince Phillip 26-11-2021 11:06 AM

One possible replacement for Paine could be Josh Inglis, born in Leeds, United Kingdom.
I do wish these nations would produce their own talent.

stinky 28-11-2021 09:24 AM

England bowler Wood 'would love to stick one up' Australia and 'this baggy green thing'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59389486

That's us losing 5-0 then

davech 28-11-2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinky (Post 16123788)
England bowler Wood 'would love to stick one up' Australia and 'this baggy green thing'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59389486

That's us losing 5-0 then

Not until The Big Game Hunter says so....

Worksop Palace 28-11-2021 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinky (Post 16123788)
England bowler Wood 'would love to stick one up' Australia and 'this baggy green thing'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59389486

That's us losing 5-0 then

Hmmm, not sure I like that sort of bravado. Within the group, yes. To the press, no. Setting yourself up for a fall.

Olympian2 28-11-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16123821)
Hmmm, not sure I like that sort of bravado. Within the group, yes. To the press, no. Setting yourself up for a fall.

Quite. It’s a brainless comment. Keep your mouth shut & grab yourself a five-fer, if you can stay fit long enough.

art malice 28-11-2021 10:10 AM

Just been listening to the TMS special on all the massive amounts of prep that’s gone into this from England. Kiboshed in an instant by old poppadom legs.

stinky 28-11-2021 10:24 AM

Yeah but Gr8 Banter tho innit. Can't wait for his video blog from Australia with all the top Banter from 'Woody' and Co.

art malice 28-11-2021 10:28 AM

I like me Jimmy Nail, Stokesy loves his PJ and Duncans and Rash is reet into his cooking. It’s mad.

Tomo 29-11-2021 02:53 PM

Jeez. Think some of you are over reacting a bit to that comment.

It's only on the BBC site because they're promoting the podcast it was said on.

Those comments aren't going to make or break the way this series goes.

Aki Aki Aki 30-11-2021 07:55 AM

Another warm up day washout overnight. Weather continues to play a big part in preparations, looks as though England could potentially be severely undercooked going into the first Test.

Worksop Palace 30-11-2021 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16125796)
Another warm up day washout overnight. Weather continues to play a big part in preparations, looks as though England could potentially be severely undercooked going into the first Test.

I donít recall a series abroad when England havenít been undercooked

Worksop Palace 30-11-2021 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomo (Post 16124872)
Jeez. Think some of you are over reacting a bit to that comment.

It's only on the BBC site because they're promoting the podcast it was said on.

Those comments aren't going to make or break the way this series goes.

Maybe not. Just unnecessary fuel to the oppositions fire. Just stick the article on the dressing room wall.

crystaljim 30-11-2021 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 16125797)
I donít recall a series abroad when England havenít been undercooked

I miss the days when there were a minimum of 3 warm up games before the first test on Ashes tours.

I saw a few county grounds I would never have visited without those games.

Olympian2 30-11-2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki Aki Aki (Post 16125796)
Another warm up day washout overnight. Weather continues to play a big part in preparations, looks as though England could potentially be severely undercooked going into the first Test.

Australis haven't played a Test match in 11 months. But yes, at least they're playing some red ball cricket.

Hopefully the rubbish weather continues so we avoid the 5-0.

MCG going to get 2 Tests now that Perth looks dodgy, lockdown-wise?

KYLIE MINEAGLE 30-11-2021 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16125800)
I miss the days when there were a minimum of 3 warm up games before the first test on Ashes tours.

I saw a few county grounds I would never have visited without those games.

Got to get the serious stuff out of the way pdq . So the hit and giggle can be got into .

crystaljim 30-11-2021 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16125809)
Australis haven't played a Test match in 11 months. But yes, at least they're playing some red ball cricket.

Hopefully the rubbish weather continues so we avoid the 5-0.

MCG going to get 2 Tests now that Perth looks dodgy, lockdown-wise?


Your wish on the weather may come true, a very wet summer has been predicted.

Both sides underdone. Only 5 Australians in the Test squad have actually played Red ball cricket in the last 6 months.
None of the 20/20 squad have played yet.

Olympian2 30-11-2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16125814)
Your wish on the weather may come true, a very wet summer has been predicted.

Both sides underdone. Only 5 Australians in the Test squad have actually played Red ball cricket in the last 6 months.
None of the 20/20 squad have played yet.

Mad, isn't it? But I would expect the Aussies to be able to adapt quickest to home conditions, especially the bowlers.

I think batting wise, it's simply a contest of Smith & Labuschagne vs Root. The others - on both sides - are, on the whole, just chaff.
Bowling wise, it's a different story.

crystaljim 30-11-2021 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 16125823)
Mad, isn't it? But I would expect the Aussies to be able to adapt quickest to home conditions, especially the bowlers.

I think batting wise, it's simply a contest of Smith & Labuschagne vs Root. The others - on both sides - are, on the whole, just chaff.
Bowling wise, it's a different story.

Agree on the batting. Although world cricket is blessed with some exceptional bowling attacks right now. Groups that hunt in packs, perhaps we are giving current batting lineups a bad rap.

Prince Phillip 30-11-2021 08:29 AM

Always makes me slightly shudder for contemporary Ashes tours when you hear that England's army of analysts have organised and modelled the trip down to the last bowl of muesli. Never really seems to help.
Fat Gatt's "Can't Bat, Can't Bowl, Can't Field" clean-sweepers of 1986/7 only had about 3 back-up staff with them (and one of those was the coach driver who didn't really like cricket anyway)

Olympian2 30-11-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaljim (Post 16125826)
Agree on the batting. Although world cricket is blessed with some exceptional bowling attacks right now. Groups that hunt in packs, perhaps we are giving current batting lineups a bad rap.

Spot on. Without knowing about injury, form etc. I'm guessing that we'll see Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins & Lyon playing - & taking 20 wickets - regularly. Naming the Aus attack is easy enough.

I'm not sure England know their best bowling attack. Broad & Anderson, for sure, although of course the latter only bowled 4 overs in the whole of the 2019 series. Stokes, yes, but he's almost an accidental bowler these days. The role of 3rd pace bowler & spinner are very much undecided. Neither Wood & Archer are reliable, fitness-wise. Can't see Overton or Curran being effective Down Under. Woakes is a victim of the ongoing squad-rotation. I guess there are high hopes for Robinson who bowled really well in English conditions this summer.

Spinner-wise, I can't see Leach & Bess taking 10 wickets between them in the whole series. Neither of them can hold an end down.

I expect we'll see England play Anderson, Broad, Robinson, Woakes & Stokes in the 1st Test with Root as 'the spinner'.

All this just emphasises just how good the England pack of Hoggard, Harmison, Flintoff, Jones & Giles were in 2005. They really worked well as a collective unit.

Jordan's Jacket 30-11-2021 10:28 AM

Woakes is our best bowler avaiable. He has to play


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