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Old 25-01-2022, 05:46 PM
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Palace's Rise in the 1960s
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I'd be really interested to know from anyone who was there at the time what it was that changed at Palace to propel us into Division One. This after we spent the 1950s getting re-elected and losing to non league teams in the FA Cup and then found ourselves in the new Division 4 at the start of the decade. Was there an influx of new investment (A Wait?), or did we just suddenly find or develop a better group of players etc etc?

Did anyone think at the start of the 60s that there was any prospect of us ending the decade at the top? Did anyone think it at all right up until we went on the winning run at the end of 68/69 season? It must have been amazing to see it unfold, what were the excitement levels like?
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Is Arthur Waite our most significant chairman? Under him we changed from a lower league outfit to a top tier team.
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The rise of Palace during the late 50s into the 60s had one common factor Arthur Wait. Who had the knack of appointing the right manager at the right time.
The Arthur Rowe appointment leading to the promotion to Division 3. Certainly finding a young star in Johnny Bryne can never be dismissed but players were added to form the team.
When I was young the loss of Rowe to be replaced by Dick Graham the use of Byrne money to invest in the team. Without the individual star with older players added the rise to Division 2 was certainly unbelivable. My Grandfather was so excited about the season ahead. It was the different quality of teams the idea of facing teams that in recent times had heen in Division One. Then there were the games Real Madrid in the friendly whilst in Division 3. But it was also the cup games that added even more thrills. Forest Leeds x2 being great days.
Graham to Bert Head robbed from Bury truth be told. There were stars Bill Glazier but replaced by Jacko and money left replaced in the team.
Head took this a stage further the next star Alan Stephenson sold to West Ham funded the promotion side. Move away from old stars Bryne for instance to younger new hungry players. A couple from the youth team Kember Payne and a couple of trusted by Head players Woodruff and Cliff Jackson. A couple of older heads Sewell Lazurus and the team was formed. Stunning performances from Christmas including the win at Derby. It was unbelievable the idea was beyond mine or my Grandads comprehension. To achieve it however long it lasted was never to be forgotten one of the greatest days. Only the semi final against Liverpool beats it.
Never forget Wait his departure was a sad day set in place a perod of turmoil which despite highs under Noades has not been recovered until Parish +3
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I would have said, purely from my reading various reports of the time (I was born in 1963 so my Palace memories start a decade later) - Arthur Rowe was quite an important figure in turning Palace around. He was vastly experienced and from what I understand, got Palace to play the same style of football that got Spurs not only promoted in 1950 but League Champions in 1951. He had health problems thst curtailed his career as boss at Spurs and Palace, but probably is still one of our most important managers.

Other players from the era, such as Dave Sexton, John Cartwright and George Petchey all went on to be leading coaches in their own right too.
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I would have said, purely from my reading various reports of the time (I was born in 1963 so my Palace memories start a decade later) - Arthur Rowe was quite an important figure in turning Palace around. He was vastly experienced and from what I understand, got Palace to play the same style of football that got Spurs not only promoted in 1950 but League Champions in 1951. He had health problems thst curtailed his career as boss at Spurs and Palace, but probably is still one of our most important managers.

Other players from the era, such as Dave Sexton, John Cartwright and George Petchey all went on to be leading coaches in their own right too.
Rowe was important he was still around when Graham was manager. Also took over after he was sacked and Bert Head appointed. Played a very important role in the early 60s.
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Palace were always well supported all through the 60s 37,000 v Millwall Easter 1961 in the fourth division we gained promotion scoring over 100 goals . It looked like at the start of 1962-63 we were going back down to the fourth poor Arthur Rowe had to leave for a while and Dick Graham took over and instead of being relegated gained promotion the following season to division 2 first time in 40 years. The signing of Cliff Holton was a great one although over 30 he played a massive part in our rise. Bert Head replaced Dick early in 1966 after Arthur Rowe already mentioned helped out. We always were in the running at the start of each season but was not until 1968-69 that promotion was gained we had a few games postponed early in 1969 and then were undefeated the rest of the season. Great results were achieved away at champions Derby County, Birmingham and Carlisle, John Jackson, John McCormick and Steve Kember were ever present. The signing of Roger Hoy, John Loughlan and Tony Taylor were also done in that season, and Roger especially scored some vital goals. Also Cliff Jackson moved from the wing to centre forward scored 14 goals and Mark Lazarus and Colin Taylor played on the wings. It was a real team effort well led by captain John Sewell, David Payne and Mel Blyth also scored vital goals, not forgetting Bobby Woodruff whose season was ended with a broken coller bone v Oxford United.
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Rowe was important he was still around when Graham was manager. Also took over after he was sacked and Bert Head appointed. Played a very important role in the early 60s.
Arthur Rowe was famous for "push & run" football.
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Arthur Rowe was famous for "push & run" football.
Famous for it following his success at Spurs where they won the Second Division and following season the First Division. Unfortunately :he suffered health issues having a nervous breakdown and left. The coup by Wait was getting him to Palace firstly in an assitant role before taking on the managers job. Health issues again though meant he resigned. However his role in our history the rise to the Second Division remembering he assisted Dick Graham in the promotion season is somewhat forgotten. Bert Head Steve Coppell Big Mal all are mentioned. Arthur Rowe should be another we remember with them in my opinion. It took nearly 40 years to rise back to the 2nd tier. In less than 10 years from seeking re-election to the league he achieved it.
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The first game i went to was in 1962, and at that time, I couldn't have envisaged the rise of the club in reaching the old Division 1 by 1969. As the period coincided exactly with my teenage years, it certainly proved to be an exciting time. The management of Rowe, Graham and Head cannot be underestimated. There was also something special about watching the game from the old grassy banks, but how the ground was transformed by the building of the Arfur in the 1969 close season was pretty impressive.
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