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[13thsasquatch]

Originally Posted by old geezer

Is that stat correct
It seems beyond the bounds of probability
It suggests something to me

Mostly I tend to think referring decisions are incompetence rather than bias, but England stretches credibility in general.

I remember him reffing Vieira's first home game vs Brentford, possibly the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen, it beggared belief what he let them get away with.

[SA Eagle]

Originally Posted by 13thsasquatch

I remember him reffing Vieira's first home game vs Brentford, possibly the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen, it beggared belief what he let them get away with.

Darren England wasn't the ref for that match

[spuddy]

VAR is a farce but it wasn’t to blame for the pen on Saturday. The VAR ref suggested England went to view the incident again as he could have got it wrong. The fact that the totally incompetent England after nearly 5 minutes still decided his original decision was correct was solely on him not VAR & shows how clueless England is.

On a much wider scale VAR is totally useless. It’s the same pool of refs mixing it up being on pitch some games & VAR other games so all you have is a bunch of incompetent refs both on & off the pitch. It’s an absolute farce. It was bad enough having one incompetent ref on the pitch most weeks now we have another one in a studio to.

The worrying thing was when the released the mic’d footage of VAR decision making. It was just a bunch of people shouting over eachother at a 1,000mph. There was no calmness at all especially from the VAR official. I can understand to a degree the ref on the pitch speaking quick etc as he’s in the mix of the game making instant decisions but when VAR ref is equally incoherent and shouting things it’s a worry. Watching on screens he should be all calm & collected but the audio suggests they make things 20 times worse with panic.

[Seanee Pawnee]

Arsenal disallowed goal yesterday clearly came off an everton player.
So how was that deemed offside?
Quel Shyte Show!

[GTR]

Originally Posted by Seanee Pawnee

Arsenal disallowed goal yesterday clearly came off an everton player.
So how was that deemed offside?
Quel Shyte Show!

Think I saw somewhere that because it was an involuntary deflection the offside was judged against when the ball was played by the Arsenal player.

[NZsparky]

Originally Posted by EnglandEagle

Also disallowed the goal that should have put us 0-3 up at manchester city last season.

That cheating bastard

[AJ]

Originally Posted by Seanee Pawnee

Arsenal disallowed goal yesterday clearly came off an everton player.
So how was that deemed offside?
Quel Shyte Show!

Because that isn't the rule. The rule is if a player is offside when the ball is played. In this case Nketia was offside when the ball was played to him, whether that touched another player is irrelevant. If a defender passes the ball to an attacker in an offside position then the player is not offside.

[917L]

Originally Posted by Seanee Pawnee

Arsenal disallowed goal yesterday clearly came off an everton player.
So how was that deemed offside?
Quel Shyte Show!

They changed the ruling about deflections off defenders last season, or the one before IIRC

[PalaceRichard]

Originally Posted by PETERW

Right, a Villa fan to wade in....

Was it a pen? Not sure and if I was a Palace fan I'd see it one way, but as a Villa fan I'll see it another way. There was contact on the ball but it also looked like there was contact with the player at more or less the same time, which way round it was is debatable and it was a 50/50 decision. Its the difficulty with the current laws that any contact seems to be the harbinger of a foul the other way, so defenders lunging in, or at full stretch anywhere on the pitch are leaving themselves open to more decisions going against them then even 5-10 years ago. Its not right but I can understand why those rules came in (not necessarily to protect players, but to capture where the defender does go through a player to get the ball), and defenders had carte blanche to foul and then get the ball in their follow through and there was nothing that a referee could do even if he knew the intent was to foul.

I think the Palace defender was guilty of that if nothing out, the rule change which makes defending harder still; however, he shouldn't have allowed himself to get on the wrong side in the first place if we're being brutally honest.

As for the VAR delay. Yes, I'm clearly happy it went our way, but I'm genuinely happy for another reason. VAR sent the ref to the pitch side monitor and usually you know what's coming. Where I see the farce of the long look is that it clearly wasn't a clear and obvious error. In real time it was impossible to tell and it ended up having to be slowed down with many different angles seen to see whether the defender touched the attacker first before contact with the ball. That is the law now and that was what was taking so long to check. Now for me, where VAR is going wrong is in the time it takes. If after 45-60 seconds (to use a random number) the ref isn't sure he must stick to his on-field decision and move on with the game. That's also in reverse - if he hadn't have given it and VAR send him for a look (and I think when its VAR recommending the ref goers to the pitch side monitor and so they stop the game not the referee making a decision, the time taken should be shorter. 30 seconds or so.

We have to allow the ref to trust their eyes and if they do not believe they have made a serious error then we move on with the game.

Yes it went against you this time but has gone your way on other occasions (penalty at your place last season one that jumps out in my mind...Kevin Friend denying our last minute equaliser a few seasons before that...) so these things happen, and VAR hasn't helped but hindered. Even the one at your place (the handball) we need to get back to allowing the ref to trust their eyes and when VAR intervenes the time taken should be regulated. And then we move on.

You're being generous to yourself here.....this referee has form.

What is a defender supposed to do in a situation like that? He comes in from the side gets contact on the ball in the first place, then a second contact on the ball. The home crowd will obviously appeal, as they do everywhere, and it's down to the referee to show some nuts. VAR sent him to the screen, where he clearly wanted to argue his case and overrule his colleagues. He seems to have given you a disproportionate amount of penalties in his games there.

This ranks as one of the worst decision I have been unlucky to witness in the flesh (Diogo Jota winning a penalty at Selhurst being the worst). You are allowed to say you've been lucky there, as we were a couple of seasons ago at our place.

[montrealeagle]

I don’t care if the ref, or VAR or Ghenghis Khan made the decision. It was not a penalty . Only makes it worse that Eze was not awarded a penalty against Arsenal.
By the way the WORST decision against Palace ,as I have mentioned before, was the Clive Allen “Goal that Never Was”. You had to be at Highfield Road to really feel the misery. IMHO that was the “straw that broke the camel’s back” of the “Team of the Eighties”.

[PalaceRichard]

Originally Posted by montrealeagle

I don’t care if the ref, or VAR or Ghenghis Khan made the decision. It was not a penalty . Only makes it worse that Eze was not awarded a penalty against Arsenal.
By the way the WORST decision against Palace ,as I have mentioned before, was the Clive Allen “Goal that Never Was”. You had to be at Highfield Road to really feel the misery. IMHO that was the “straw that broke the camel’s back” of the “Team of the Eighties”.

I was thinking in the VAR era....but there's no disputing your comment above.

[Pubface]

Clive Allen goal that should've been was before my time but the Freddy Sears goal was and still to this day I don't know how it wasn't given.

On another note I did enjoy the Man u fans upset at their disallowed goal because the ball clearly went out of play. Considering how lucky they got for that Carroll drop against spurs a decade or so ago.

[917L]

Originally Posted by montrealeagle

I don’t care if the ref, or VAR or Ghenghis Khan made the decision. It was not a penalty . Only makes it worse that Eze was not awarded a penalty against Arsenal.
By the way the WORST decision against Palace ,as I have mentioned before, was the Clive Allen “Goal that Never Was”. You had to be at Highfield Road to really feel the misery. IMHO that was the “straw that broke the camel’s back” of the “Team of the Eighties”.

Allen

Sears

And the Tommy Black? Goal against Leeds, when the officials failed to see the ball was both clearly over the line, an the only way it came back was by the hand of a Leeds player.

Wickham at Wembley

[Eddie McGoldrick's tash]

Originally Posted by 917L

Allen

Sears

And the Tommy Black? Goal against Leeds, when the officials failed to see the ball was both clearly over the line, an the only way it came back was by the hand of a Leeds player.

Wickham at Wembley

The penalty not given in the 1990 cup final replay.

[M3 Eagle]

I think the ref, Dermot Gallagher it was, had no problem seeing the ball was over the line. He just didn't allow the goal. Christ, it was so far over the line I could see it from the other end of the pitch and so could everyone else in the stadium.

[Eddie McGoldrick's tash]

Originally Posted by M3 Eagle

I think the ref, Dermot Gallagher it was, had no problem seeing the ball was over the line. He just didn't allow the goal. Christ, it was so far over the line I could see it from the other end of the pitch and so could everyone else in the stadium.

Yeah I was absolutely fuming for days after that against Leeds.

[Billy Rhino]

The worst refereeing decision ever has to be the Watford v Reading phantom goal

[917L]

Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash

The penalty not given in the 1990 cup final replay.

Indeed

[Eagles9]

Originally Posted by 917L

Allen

Sears

And the Tommy Black? Goal against Leeds, when the officials failed to see the ball was both clearly over the line, an the only way it came back was by the hand of a Leeds player.

Wickham at Wembley

Exactly it was either a goal or a penalty. They tried to say the referee's view was blocked but the camera from behind the goal showed he had a clear line of sight.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by 13thsasquatch

Mostly I tend to think referring decisions are incompetence rather than bias, but England stretches credibility in general.

I remember him reffing Vieira's first home game vs Brentford, possibly the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen, it beggared belief what he let them get away with.

Watch the disallowed Burnley goal, never handball, no Forest player appealed
. Guess who was VAR? Yep our mate DE

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