Patrick Vieira CPFC manager - SACKED

[GorBlimey]

This is the quote notably featured on the Palace website re-introducing Roy:
"I don’t think anybody needs to be told just what this football club means to me."
Shaun Derry

I wonder if this alludes to his falling out with PV and thus to PV's subsequent sacking?

[palacemetros]

Despite any speculation that Vieira may or may not have frozen out Eze and Edouarde, it doesn't excuse their lack of effort when they did get on the pitch. Ultimately, I want players who will put it in for the supporters, even if they don't see eye to eye with management. Will Hughes in fairness, always seemed to put a reasonable shift in when he played.

[Spindle]

Is Derry back? Hope so

[beef]

Originally Posted by Spindle

Is Derry back? Hope so

Me too. Having a ‘Palace’ identity around the club has really worked for Parish over the years. People will say it’s jobs for the boys but I’d like people in the club who care and want it to succeed.

[Riley]

Originally Posted by Spindle

Is Derry back? Hope so

I heard he was going to mullet over.

[Jim Cannon]

Originally Posted by andyocpfc

Wonder if Olise will celebrate if he scores now

What next? Ayew smiling?

[Since 1968]

Originally Posted by Shoreditch CPFC

Do you think Will would have expected that to be repeated on the internet?

He is stupid if he didnt!

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by Stinger1

I think there is something to the Eze and Edouard relationships with PV that may have contributed to his sacking.

Parish watches every game so surely he could see for himself that neither player should be automatic picks based on their performances on the pitch

[bubbs11]

Originally Posted by palacemetros

Despite any speculation that Vieira may or may not have frozen out Eze and Edouarde, it doesn't excuse their lack of effort when they did get on the pitch. Ultimately, I want players who will put it in for the supporters, even if they don't see eye to eye with management. Will Hughes in fairness, always seemed to put a reasonable shift in when he played.

Sometimes when a player has been asked to play a role or position that isn’t working for him or the team, their frustration and drain of self belief can appear like they’re not trying.

Will be interesting to see how Eze and Edouard perform under Roy.

[DANGERMOUSE]

Originally Posted by Riley

I heard he was going to mullet over.

[Reps AJ]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Parish watches every game so surely he could see for himself that neither player should be automatic picks based on their performances on the pitch

Or that the manager he employed to get the best of his players, wasn't.

[aashman12]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Parish watches every game so surely he could see for himself that neither player should be automatic picks based on their performances on the pitch

He also saw what effect his highly paid coach had on 2 of our pretty decent assets.

[Philipw]

Originally Posted by Reps AJ

Or that the manager he employed to get the best of his players, wasn't.

Yep (sadly). Put aside rumours that he was struggling to motivate himself let alone the players, one of the best possible explanations I have read is that Parish could see a repeat of the Pardew situation, i.e in the first year, the players enjoyed the freedom of an attacking style but still had the fitness/discipline from the previous manager. By year two that wears off and lack of fitness starts to show. In the Pardew 2016 season we fortunately had enough points in January to stay up. No such luxury this season.

[Maz]

Interesting perspective.

[Maidstoned Eagle]

Originally Posted by PALACEWU

Don't suppose the idea of burning bridges means much to you.

Or betraying a confidence

[Martin H]

I was just revisiting some stats I had looked at before and noticed the following:

Palace top the PL table for both 'unsuccessful touches' - i.e. bad control
AND Dispossessed - i.e. Player is dispossessed on the ball by an opponent – no dribble involved.

The top 6 for both of those within the club are Zaha, Ayew, Olise, Mateta, Edouard and Ebs just with a slightly different order for each.

Wilf actually tops the Premier League for the dispossessed stat and ranks 3rd for poor control. To add insult despite not dribbling as often as he used to, he still tops the PL unsuccessful dribbles.

If you add them all together (which is legitimate, on a per 90 basis) he loses the ball on an average of 10.6 times per 90 mins. His positives make him our best player and most dangerous still but crikey that is an awful lot. Ayew total is 8.7, Olise 7.5 and Edouard 7.1 and then it dips into the 5's for the other two. Caveat - taken from whoscored detailed stats and I filtered based on played more than 10 matches to avoid the weird stuff.

[Crozzy71]

Originally Posted by Martin H

I was just revisiting some stats I had looked at before and noticed the following:

Palace top the PL table for both 'unsuccessful touches' - i.e. bad control
AND Dispossessed - i.e. Player is dispossessed on the ball by an opponent – no dribble involved.

The top 6 for both of those within the club are Zaha, Ayew, Olise, Mateta, Edouard and Ebs just with a slightly different order for each.

Wilf actually tops the Premier League for the dispossessed stat and ranks 3rd for poor control. To add insult despite not dribbling as often as he used to, he still tops the PL unsuccessful dribbles.

If you add them all together (which is legitimate, on a per 90 basis) he loses the ball on an average of 10.6 times per 90 mins. His positives make him our best player and most dangerous still but crikey that is an awful lot. Ayew total is 8.7, Olise 7.5 and Edouard 7.1 and then it dips into the 5's for the other two. Caveat - taken from whoscored detailed stats and I filtered based on played more than 10 matches to avoid the weird stuff.

Yet more appalling stats to go with the rest such as not running enough, rarely shooting etc.

Have to say it hardly helps the case for the defence that PV should have stayed.

[Nostrils]

Pretty sure a lot of those dispossessions are when he's back to goal and tries to erm, roll (?) the defender and counter. Often felt like he tries it too much and they've worked it out.

[AJ]

Originally Posted by Martin H

I was just revisiting some stats I had looked at before and noticed the following:

Palace top the PL table for both 'unsuccessful touches' - i.e. bad control
AND Dispossessed - i.e. Player is dispossessed on the ball by an opponent – no dribble involved.

The top 6 for both of those within the club are Zaha, Ayew, Olise, Mateta, Edouard and Ebs just with a slightly different order for each.

Wilf actually tops the Premier League for the dispossessed stat and ranks 3rd for poor control. To add insult despite not dribbling as often as he used to, he still tops the PL unsuccessful dribbles.

If you add them all together (which is legitimate, on a per 90 basis) he loses the ball on an average of 10.6 times per 90 mins. His positives make him our best player and most dangerous still but crikey that is an awful lot. Ayew total is 8.7, Olise 7.5 and Edouard 7.1 and then it dips into the 5's for the other two. Caveat - taken from whoscored detailed stats and I filtered based on played more than 10 matches to avoid the weird stuff.

Does the unsuccessful touches break it down in attacking and defending positions, as tbf Wilf quite often has 2 players on him when he is attacking and that always puts him at a disadvantage.

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by AJ

Does the unsuccessful touches break it down in attacking and defending positions, as tbf Wilf quite often has 2 players on him when he is attacking and that always puts him at a disadvantage.

Not the ones I have.

You should never draw conclusions from any specific stat but I don't think I would simply dismiss as meaningless, but more like signposts. Particularly as it matches what you should see with your eye - i.e. the ball doesn't stick up front.

The reasons for this are not exclusively due to these stats or individuals. Stats like these should just make us look more carefully at what is really going on. i.e. see past who we expect to play well before the KO.